Ok, so seriously, we have missed half of our season already and no word on make-up dates. Why do I get the feeling we are not going to be making up these races. In the past, we have the new dates within a week.

I never expected the season to go like this. I lost to Vinnie in the first round of the first two races, broke an axle on my first pass in the 3rd race and haven't seen the track since. I just want to be back out there. I still have some dilusions of being in the points race since we only have 3 races done in a 10 race schedule, but at this pace, the season may be over

 

Not sure if this idea would work, maybe just add 1 or 2 individual classes to the existing Saturday schedule (not the whole CC) each week till things are caught up.

I don't see how a couple 5 hr CC events as a whole will fit. Not to mention the GM EFI series.

 

Well we know that the Nov date will be a make-up for one of the races since we can just bump the Top 16, but what the other two and any other missed races?

Sept 3rd track closed? Private event I guess?
Oct. 15th we could maybe be added to the EVO/STI day
Nov 12th?
Nov 19th Add us to street wars?
Nov 26th?

Also what about a PM session being added to a couple of Sat's?

 

You need to also consider that one or more of the remaining dates could be rained out. Not a pleasant thought, but the possibility is there. If the PM sessions were still in exsistence, this probably would not be a problem. Everyone will have to wait and see at this point. I spoke to Edgar about this recently BTW, it going to be decided by RP management.

 

It is unlikely that we'd be added to one of the import events (especially Street Wars) as those days are often already chaotic and CROWDED.

Another issue is a few of us (both CC racers and GM EFI guys) travel out to the LSx Shootout (October 6-9) and possibly even the Holley LS Fest a month earlier. I'd hate to be forced to make the decision between E-town and Indy but when time/availability is limited it's going to have to be.

I'm sure that E-town will almost definitely be staying open later into the season again (like they did last year), closing in mid November just isn't a valid option when people signed on for points and a full race season. It's more revenue for them as well when they let all of the programs run their course.





I like that idea as well.





Yes true, and I would hate to have skipped the LSx Shootout to stay here only to be rained out yet again, especially if it stays dry out in Indy.
But there's no control there of course, rain is always a threat no matter where we race.

 

Ok scratch that, that's the same weekend as 'the Shakedown at E-town' so there is no chance that we'll have a make up race on that weekend at least.
My hopes for attending the LSx Shootout are still safe.

 

I will try an get those dates for us this week.

 

For the GM EFI, I've asked a few times, but have yet to get a response.

I imagine / assume that they will fall on the same dates as the Challenge make-up dates, but that's only a guess and I know what happens "when you assume"

Edgar, if you inquire and get any additional details, please let us know, thanks.

 

Thank you Edgar.




I would think that also. Thank you for looking into it as well Dave.

 

I will bet you that the Month of October will be very busy......

 

My vote is that we just drop the missed dates. Racing for 6 weeks straight in the fall is not my idea of fun.

 

Since all the sponsors pay per race, I'm sure Raceway park will take the time to figure out what the return payment checks will be to all the sponsors involved of the Corvette challenge, and the EFI series for the lack of dates.

 

I am guessing you jest?
far as i have been involved, it is per season

 

Jest ?

Speaking for the GM EFI, since I am not involved with the CC...

We have a series that consists of 8 events in total and have already missed 3. Therefore, someone has $3,150.00 that would have been paid out to drivers during these missed events. That doesn't include the small cost for trophies, etc... just the payouts.

For example: Payouts and amount missed after three cancellations...

Bracket Class
• Winner: $200 + trophy (-$600)
• Runner Up: $100 + trophy (-$300)
• Semifinalist: $50 + plaque (-$300)

8.90 Index
• Winner: $400 + trophy (-$1,200)
• Runner Up: $200 + trophy (-$600)
• #1 Qualifier: $50 + plaque from Paxton Superchargers (-$150)

Each time a GM EFI event is cancelled, $1,050 of sponsorship money goes.... where?

 

you must be in the points race I haven't ran an event as of yet and am only three events out... to me, it's anybody's season to take when considering which make up dates people can't/will not attend because of down time or "other" commitments

Lets race!! .

 

It has nothing to do with being in the points chase or not. It has to do with "squeezing in" a whole season's worth of racing in a very short time frame. I am speaking from a racer's perspective only. It is disruptive and presumptive to think that racers that have other commitments can either change/break those commitments and are even interested in racing 6 out of 8 weeks in a row (or whatever).

Agreed the sponsors and etown would need to work something out if this year's events were dropped. Double payout? Credit towards next year? I dunno.

But every year it is the same thing. We scramble to try and make up all 10 events. Perhaps next year we agree up front that rainouts get dropped.

I could be all alone on this one and that's fine, I have said my piece...

That's exactly what I mean. Some racers can capitalize on makeup events that other's can't make.

 

Dave sponsors do not pay for payout, per-say.
Indirectly yes but not directly. There is no allocation/reservation of x dollars to y payout.

Raceway Park sells sponsorship.
Based on sponsorship collected, projected car counts and whatever other criteria, they decide how much they can/will payout.

If it does not get paid out due to whatever reason, rainout, uneven cars in the ladder, not enough cars for all levels of payout or a driver chooses not to collect (or forgets) it is still their money not ours.

I or we do not own or manage any of it.

That is a major reason why I always push for races that are rained out to be made up so that everyone, racers, RP, and sponsors get the benefit. In years past, we have missed one (maybe 2) races.

Eric, I understand your point and I too am not crazy about the fast tight schedule but we have built a precedent for makeups with the CC. No other series (except maybe EFI this year) automatically gets makeups. Our sponsor backing helps to ensure that. Going back and asking for something different might be a problem. I think another solution to be thinking about is cutting back our 10 points date schedule to 7 maybe. While that does not solve the rainout/makeup problem, it could leave us more options during the year for makeups.

You all may have noticed, things are changing at Raceway Park. From single sessions to several other events taking our Saturdays to some Saturday's not being open at all. Our options are reduced without any of our doing. With that, every year has been harder and harder to reach sponsorship levels we have seen in the past and sadly, we could be going the other direction because of it.

 

One other thing you guys might want to take note of that Nov 5th (which at the moment is our Top 16 race and will likely be our first makeup) is a makeup date for the Shakedown. so if Shakedown gets shaked down due to weather, we get the boot.

 

Thanks for the info Edgar (painful as it may be)

 

That is EXACTLY my point!!

I'm willing to adjust my schedule just like almost everyone else. I do feel sorry for anyone who can't make the schedule, just like they were sorry I couldn't make the events that were already scheduled... It probably helps that I don't have anyone that I have to ask or answer to!