NHRA legal battery cut off C6 Z06
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Burning Brakes
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NHRA legal battery cut off C6 Z06
Either I'm terrible at using the search feature on this forum or nobody has really posted up anything about an NHRA legal battery cut off for a C6 Z06 or ZR1? I'm trying to not reinvent the wheel here if somebody has something that works well, but I need to install a master cutoff even though the battery was originally in the trunk on these cars and was not relocated. Best I can find in the NHRA rulebook is below.
My problem is that the NHRA rule book says it needs to cutoff ALL electrical functions but that just doesn't work with these cars since the doors open electrically so I'm just trying to figure out a way to make the cutoff stop the engine while still allowing the doors to function as OE. This means using the cutoff in a way not allowed in their rule book.
Assuming their point is to be able to stop the engine from the outside then I should be able to just use a relay setup to cut PCM power. Otherwise use a big solid state relay or switch to cut power in the traditional way with separate power sources for both the BCM and RCDLR, but anything that I come up with is just not going to fit the rule book due to their "all electric functions" wording. What do you guys do for this on a street car that has factory doors, locks, etc and passes tech?
My problem is that the NHRA rule book says it needs to cutoff ALL electrical functions but that just doesn't work with these cars since the doors open electrically so I'm just trying to figure out a way to make the cutoff stop the engine while still allowing the doors to function as OE. This means using the cutoff in a way not allowed in their rule book.
Assuming their point is to be able to stop the engine from the outside then I should be able to just use a relay setup to cut PCM power. Otherwise use a big solid state relay or switch to cut power in the traditional way with separate power sources for both the BCM and RCDLR, but anything that I come up with is just not going to fit the rule book due to their "all electric functions" wording. What do you guys do for this on a street car that has factory doors, locks, etc and passes tech?
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I believe the reason they say "all power" is to reduce the chance of a spark igniting any fuel that may have spilled.
So, you're gonna have a tough time working through the electric door issue. Try calling Mark Carlyle. While he's full on racecar now, I'm pretty sure he had a battery cutoff back in the day when he still drove his C6Z on the street.
As for the wiring to kill everything, I've installed a relay back by the battery and it works. My car is in the chassis shop now, so i can't get any pics of it.
Good luck with your project.
So, you're gonna have a tough time working through the electric door issue. Try calling Mark Carlyle. While he's full on racecar now, I'm pretty sure he had a battery cutoff back in the day when he still drove his C6Z on the street.
As for the wiring to kill everything, I've installed a relay back by the battery and it works. My car is in the chassis shop now, so i can't get any pics of it.
Good luck with your project.
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Not NHRA, but our landspeed rules are close..
I looked into leaving power to the doors and decided it was safer/easier to rely on manual door pulls ( I still have electric for convenience). I relocated the drivers inside pull near my right thigh so the window net would not fall on it. I also removed the power latch from the trunk and install Aerocatch latches making it easier for someone to get to the emergency door pull.
I have tested some external manual latches, just have to decide on one and finish it!
Diagram below is the most basic way to kill the car that will pass tech, but you do still have a fused wire that is hot from the battery to the alternator at all times. My new setup uses a dual pole switch adding an emergency stop to the Racepak Smartwire, which kills the engine eliminating the need for the larger gauge charge wire to the rear. Not sure if this will hurt the alternator or not, but we will see.
Battery is in the left cubby, switch in the right with the rod drilled straight back thru the bumper. Its easy enough to remove the rod so people dont kill your car every time you park!
I looked into leaving power to the doors and decided it was safer/easier to rely on manual door pulls ( I still have electric for convenience). I relocated the drivers inside pull near my right thigh so the window net would not fall on it. I also removed the power latch from the trunk and install Aerocatch latches making it easier for someone to get to the emergency door pull.
I have tested some external manual latches, just have to decide on one and finish it!
Diagram below is the most basic way to kill the car that will pass tech, but you do still have a fused wire that is hot from the battery to the alternator at all times. My new setup uses a dual pole switch adding an emergency stop to the Racepak Smartwire, which kills the engine eliminating the need for the larger gauge charge wire to the rear. Not sure if this will hurt the alternator or not, but we will see.
Battery is in the left cubby, switch in the right with the rod drilled straight back thru the bumper. Its easy enough to remove the rod so people dont kill your car every time you park!
Last edited by RecMech; 06-13-2018 at 04:45 PM.
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I believe the reason they say "all power" is to reduce the chance of a spark igniting any fuel that may have spilled.
So, you're gonna have a tough time working through the electric door issue. Try calling Mark Carlyle. While he's full on racecar now, I'm pretty sure he had a battery cutoff back in the day when he still drove his C6Z on the street.
As for the wiring to kill everything, I've installed a relay back by the battery and it works. My car is in the chassis shop now, so i can't get any pics of it.
Good luck with your project.
So, you're gonna have a tough time working through the electric door issue. Try calling Mark Carlyle. While he's full on racecar now, I'm pretty sure he had a battery cutoff back in the day when he still drove his C6Z on the street.
As for the wiring to kill everything, I've installed a relay back by the battery and it works. My car is in the chassis shop now, so i can't get any pics of it.
Good luck with your project.
I do have a question though about your relay in the back, assuming that's just cutting off power at the battery then technically wouldn't the car still run off of the alternator if you hit the cutoff switch with it already running? I haven't tried that part myself yet but I guess I assumed that it wouldn't kill the car with the alternator still powering things the way the factory has it wired. If that does kill the car then I think I can make something work to keep the BCM and RCDLR powered up separate of the cutoff switch.
Last edited by NicD; 06-13-2018 at 05:11 PM.
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I looked into leaving power to the doors and decided it was safer/easier to rely on manual door pulls ( I still have electric for convenience). I relocated the drivers inside pull near my right thigh so the window net would not fall on it. I also removed the power latch from the trunk and install Aerocatch latches making it easier for someone to get to the emergency door pull.
I have tested some external manual latches, just have to decide on one and finish it!
Diagram below is the most basic way to kill the car that will pass tech, but you do still have a fused wire that is hot from the battery to the alternator at all times. My new setup uses a dual pole switch adding an emergency stop to the Racepak Smartwire, which kills the engine eliminating the need for the larger gauge charge wire to the rear. Not sure if this will hurt the alternator or not, but we will see.
I have tested some external manual latches, just have to decide on one and finish it!
Diagram below is the most basic way to kill the car that will pass tech, but you do still have a fused wire that is hot from the battery to the alternator at all times. My new setup uses a dual pole switch adding an emergency stop to the Racepak Smartwire, which kills the engine eliminating the need for the larger gauge charge wire to the rear. Not sure if this will hurt the alternator or not, but we will see.
How you have it wired in that diagram is one of the typical ways to wire a standard cutoff so the alternator can't power the vehicle even if the cutoff is switched off. My only issue is the hot alternator wire and having to run it but something has to give regardless.
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Sorry about that.
The hot wire from the alternator goes through the relay. When the cutoff is pushed in, everything is dead.
I don’t see how that would work for a C6 with the electric doors unless you did some sort of manual thing like RecMech is suggesting.
The hot wire from the alternator goes through the relay. When the cutoff is pushed in, everything is dead.
I don’t see how that would work for a C6 with the electric doors unless you did some sort of manual thing like RecMech is suggesting.