'79ProwlerOrange

i wanted to know if they would be a PITA to drop in a C3, or if it would be like that same thing as dropping a 68-74 BBC in. are they tall deck? and what type of EFI do they use? thanks! :cheers:

'79ProwlerOrange

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tpi 421 vette

I saw at the SEMA show GM is coming out with a 8.1 fuel injected crate motor.It is similar to the ram jet motors, totally complete with it's own ecm. I don't remember exact hp numbers, but it seems it was well over 400.It looks like a production 8.1.I don't remember hearing when it will be released. Sorry I couldn't be more exact.

GregP

Threre are 3 versions available for the marine market, HP1, HP2 and HP3. The HP3 is 525 HP at the prop, about 550 HP at the crank. I don't think there are any parts common to the original Mk 4,V, or VI BB's, but I'd wager that the motor mount location is the same as is the bellhousing, so you should be able to physically bolt on in pretty easy. Your probably on your own regarding clearance for rocker covers, hood, oil pans, and of course need custom exhaust.

-Greg

GregP

Lets see if this works, GM HP3 engine info - Greg

PONTIAC, Mich. -- GM Powertrain will be introducing a high-performance Vortec HP3 8100 V8 marine engine, which will produce the highest output ever offered by a GM Powertrain production engine, to the marine market as part if its 2003 marine engine lineup.

Targeted for the performance recreational marine market, the Vortec HP3 is also proving to be a serious racecourse contender, straight out of the box. Currently undergoing validation testing, the Vortec HP3 produces more than 525 horsepower and more than 525 lb-ft of torque.

The Vortec HP3 is GM’s third marine power offering from a common 8.1-liter architecture. The Vortec HP1 and HP2 marine engines produce 375 horsepower and 420 horsepower, respectively. The Vortec 8100 offered in both the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra produces 340 horsepower.

"This latest increase in power reflects a 40-year trend of continuous development and improvement, and hints at what’s to come from GM," said Rick Dunagan, GM Powertrain executive director of OEM sales and marketing.

Developed from the Vortec 8100 V8 truck engine, the 8.1-liter Vortec HP3 combines the reliability, durability and quality of a proven production powerplant with the performance characteristics of an offshore racing engine. In fact, the engine is currently being tested in the American Power Boat Association (APBA) Offshore Racing Series.

In 2002 APBA racing events, Vortec HP3-powered boats captured first and second place finishes in the APBA race in April in Daytona Beach, Fla. Three weeks later, in the second APBA race in Marathon, Fla., Vortec HP3-powered boats went on to capture a first, and two second place finishes. In the third and most demanding APBA race to date, held June 7-9 on stormy Atlantic seas off Cape Cod, Mass., Vortec HP3-powered boats took two first and two second place finishes.

GM Powertrain engineers call the Vortec HP3 a breakthrough because it is versatile enough to dominate the racecourse on Sunday, and still go cruising during the rest of the week.

"It’s mild mannered and behaves when you want it to, but light the wick, and make sure it’s pointed where you want to go," said Dunagan.

Based on the largest light truck cylinder block in the GM Powertrain lineup, the Vortec HP3 provides checkered flag performance in a factory design. The Vortec HP3 represents the next step in big-block power, responding to growing market demand for increased performance.

Progression of Performance Development

Year
Displacement
Horsepower

1997
8.2 Liters
380

1999 / 2000
8.2 Liters
414

2001 / 2002
8.1 Liters
420

2003
8.1 Liters
525+


Performance features specific to the Vortec HP3 include a virtually seamless, precision-matched intake manifold and cylinder head ports for optimum flow characteristics, providing improved power and torque, particularly where boaters need it for hole shots and acceleration maneuvers.

The fuel delivery system includes a 75-millimeter marine throttle body unit with an HP3-specific 400 kpa fuel rail, providing a pressure increase of more than 30 percent over the standard Vortec 8100 production engine. Computer ignition and fuel management parameters are calibrated to provide the best possible performance characteristics across the entire powerband.

The Vortec HP3’s valvetrain is performance matched throughout, with a high-lift and high-duration camshaft; premium race-style valve springs; 1.7:1 ratio roller rocker arms; dedicated rocker arm studs; and HP3-specific intake and exhaust push rod. Performance is also enhanced with a dedicated HP3-tuned harmonic balancer, and individual ignition coils for each of its eight platinum-tipped spark plugs.

" We’ve incorporated all the strengths of the Vortec 8100 truck engine into the Vortec HP3 marine engine, including the emissions and fuel economy improvements we’ve made over the years," said Terry Andrzejewski, GM Powertrain Vortec HP3 8100 development engineer. "Then we went back and pushed those strengths to an even greater level.

"What’s impressive is that the HP3’s performance comes from a naturally aspirated design based on a stock truck engine block. So it offers the performance of a marine racing engine with durability of a recreational marine engine, attributes that are unparalleled in today’s market."

The Vortec HP3’s performance and durability is derived from an impressive list of features.

Key features include:

Specific machined steel camshaft and crankshaft timing sprockets
Five bearing crankshaft with four-bolt, cast iron bearing caps
High volume oil pump with weld-reinforced shroud, pickup tube and screen assembly
Double roller timing chain
Coated cast aluminum, 8-quart oil pan with full baffle
Port and starboard 12mm drain plugs
Sintered, powdered metal exhaust valve seat inserts
Crankcase ventilation integral to intake manifold (requires no PCV valve)
The new Vortec HP3 engine also will be available with a remote oil cooling system with all connections and system wiring, a dedicated marine fuel system, as well as a specific performance marine alternator, starter, flame arrestor and 142-degree Fahrenheit thermostat.

Even though it is built to deliver thoroughbred performance, the Vortec HP3, with its 9.1:1 compression ratio, is designed to run on regular unleaded fuel available at marina gas docks.

GM Powertrain has tasked Innovation Marine in Sarasota, Fla., to add the performance enhancements to the Vortec HP3. Because of the HP3’s race boat and recreation boat dual personality, GM Powertrain expects to see considerable demand for this performance marine engine once production begins.

"The new Vortec HP3 will be available to our existing OEM marine engine distributors," said Dunagan. "From the start, the focus with the Vortec HP3 has been to meet market demand for more power from the factory. The Vortec HP3 clearly achieves that objective while increasing product value for our customers."

GM Powertrain engineers also pointed out the synergistic benefits of developing both automotive and marine engines. Information gained from automotive engine development is applied to marine engine development. In turn, information gained from marine engine development, where conditions are much more severe, is driven back to automotive engine development for improved product quality. The new Vortec HP3 was built on the strengths of the Vortec 8100 truck engine. Design improvements realized from the development of the Vortec HP3 marine engine will be used to further improve the quality and performance of the Vortec 8100 truck engine.

GM Powertrain is a global producer of engines, transmissions, castings and components for GM vehicles and other automotive, marine, and industrial OEMs. Headquartered in Pontiac, GM Powertrain has operating and coordinating responsibility for General Motors powertrain manufacturing plants and engineering centers in North America, South America, Europe, and the Asia-Pacific region.

2003 Vortec HP3 8100 V8

HIGH PERFORMANCE MARINE ENGINE


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Product Specifications

Type: 8.1L V8
Displacement: 496 cid (8128 cc)
Compression Ratio: 9.1:1
Valve Configuration: Pushrod Actuated, Canted Overhead Valves (2 per cyl)
Manufactured: Tonawanda, New York
Marine Applications: Innovation Marine Engine Company (Sarasota, Fla.)
Valve Lifters: Hydraulic Roller
Bore & Stroke: 4.25 x 4.37 in (107.95 x 111.00 mm)
Firing Order: 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3
Crankshaft Main Bearings: 5
Main Bearing Caps: 4-Bolt
Engine Rotation: Clockwise (Facing Front)
Balance Method: Internal
Oil Pan Capacity: Level - 8 qt (Inclined – 7 qt)
Oil Type: Mobil One 15W-50 Synthetic
Emissions Controls: Internal PVC Orifice System
Intake Manifold: Factory PFI (Equal Length Runner), Port Matched to Head
Fuel System: Port Fuel Injection
Fuel Type: Gasoline (Unleaded)
Spark Plugs: Platinum Tipped (1.5-mm gap)
Paint Protection: Component Painted
Shipping Weight: TBD
Horsepower: 525+ @ 5200 rpm
Torque: 560+ @ 4000 rpm
Horsepower and torque numbers are based on GM dynamometer testing of the factory- installed PFI intake manifold.
Actual power levels may vary depending on OEM calibration and application.

Materials:

Block: Cast Iron
Cylinder Head: Cast Iron (with exhaust valve seat inserts)
Intake Manifold: One-Piece Coated Cast Aluminum
Main Bearing Caps: Cast Nodular Iron
Crankshaft: Cast Nodular Iron
Camshaft: Steel
Connecting Rods: Forged Steel 1141 SAE (shot-peened and magnafluxed, with 9-mm diameter connecting rod bolts)
Pistons: Hypereutectic Cast Aluminum
Information may vary with application. All specifications listed are based on the latest product information available at the time of publication.