piratemike

Hello everyone,
I have a question concerning my latest project. I have recently bought a 1972 Vette which, need tons of work( it sat in someones back yard for almost 10 years). The frame and birdcage all appear good and relatively rust free( minor surgface rust). Anyway, I have the option of building either a 406 or a 355 as I have both engines setting in the garage. Either would be built as a relatively mild street engine. My concern is about overheating issues. I have read in different places that, the 406 may have some overheating problems. I know that Vettes also, have issues concerning getting heat out of the engine compartment. So, are any of you running a 406 on the street? If so, any problems? Things I should look out for?
Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

Mike

Monty

I wouldn't worry about oveheating. There are plenty of high performance 400 based engines in C3's here. Build the 406 - like the saying goes, there's no substitute for cubic inches (except cubic money and/or boost ;) ).

The problems with overheating 400 was mostly due to people putting 350 heads on them and not drilling the steam holes or running the appropriate matching gaskets.

However, I don't have steam holes and my engine doesn't come anywhere near overheating. Actually, if I have the electric fans turned on, it won't get hotter than about 165, which is too cold in my opinion.

I actually tapped and plugged the large coolant holes on the deck surface and drilled them smaller. I also run a Stewart Stage 4 aluminum water pump with higher pressure and volume, along with external cooling lines routed to the heads inbetween the 2 middle siamesed exhaust ports. This is mostly an 18* heads thing, but it can be applied to any head. The combination of plugging the large deck holes and the higher flow water pump increases the coolant pressure in the block, preventing the steam pockets the steam holes are drilled for.

The Dude

406. :thumbs:

AJ1978TA

406......Basically a stroke of a 350 with a big bore. Some people even destroke the 400 to a 377 to get high rpm's out of it while having a nice big bore to work with. :cool:

garagedweller2

The 372 is 4.125 bore + 3.48 (350) stroke

PatsLs1vette

build the 406,i shouldve never got rid of mine,im planning on building another this winter.

CORKVETTE1

you do not need to drill the heads for the 400 either just make sure you hav enough rad and you wiil not have any problems i build all 400s with out steam holes :cool: :cheers:

Vetterodder

Another vote for the 406. The extra costs involved will still result in some of the cheapest hp you can buy. Also, that extra hp will be throughout the usefull rpm range rather than just at the top.

The Money Pit

406,but be prepared for a better radiator if you plan on pushing some hp out of it.Check out my site.

LD85

My 406 is not in the car yet and my cost tally is @ $6500, having bought the block and crank for $200 and using my 1985 distributor and fuel injectors, the rest being bought new parts and new ARP bolts.

I did buy the miniram for $600, would have been $1250, hooker 2151-1's for $350 would have been $450, BBK 58 MM TB for $220 would have been $320.

So if you build a new motor with all new parts I could see @$8500

Now if you have not passed out, I would build a 406 and if you have more money to spend a 412 or 421 etc. :party:

CFI-EFI

Id85, YES, engines are expensive. But tell us, how much MORE is this 406 costing than the 355, as the question posed? I'll bet that after the $200.00 block and crank, the 406 isn't much more than the 355. YES??? Good luck, and...

RACE ON!!!

Vetterodder

That was my point also. While some of the 406 pieces may be a little more expensive, they're not much more expensive than parts for a 355. A lot of the costs involved for heads, intake, cam, etc. are the same either way. You can't reuse a balancer or flywheel from a 350 but the added cost there is still a bargain for the extra power you get from the extra cubes.

LD85

Since you have "both engines in your garage" then I would guess that the difference would be negligible and depends on which parts you choose to use from each motor or not.

Oh yeah, a new radiator for the 406 if you want to be safe!


[Modified by ld85, 3:47 PM 4/20/2003]

74vetteman

406! :thumbs:

black bart

My vote is 406 :hurray:

bcwaller

You said " Either would be built as a relatively mild street engine. " which means there is no reason not to build the 406. If you said you wanted lots of top end power, then I might recommend the 355, but you can build a torque monster 406 that has great idle and will be perfect for the street. A 406 of equivalent power to a 355 will create the same amount of heat, so if your radiator can't handle the 406, it would not have been able to handle a similarly built 355...

CORKVETTE1

the 406 will not produce any more heat than a equivalent 350 but if you start pushing some big hp numbers through it either run will run hotter up untill last year i was runnig a stock rad in my stout 406 ran on the hotter side about 200-210 inthe really hot summer with out ac and 230-240 with ac all i put in was a be cool and now have a hard time getting it up to 160+ a mild 406 should be fine with a stock rad tho :cheers:

SanDiegoPaul

I used a standard 383 setup but for two things: It is a 4-bolt main block and it is bored .040 rather than .030 so the engine is actually about 388CID. I used an Eagle stroker kit with forged crank and 6" rods.

It has all the torque It needs and winds up to 5500 all day long. DD2000 shows it to have 350HP and 420 Foot pounds of torque.

The Dynojet shows at the wheels 275 HP and 300 Foot Pounds. Very mild idle (Here's the cam card: http://dab7.cranecams.com/SpecCard/D....asp?PN=113942 )