Camaros arrive in Houston, Tx.
04-22-2009, 03:06 PM
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3747lb w/ 426hp, 0-60 in 4.6seconds - not bad. Makes me feel even more proud to have my Corvette, it's like we've got a new little brother 
As for the inside, I agree with Snobike Mike - it feels like a mustang on the inside.
As for the inside, I agree with Snobike Mike - it feels like a mustang on the inside.
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04-22-2009, 03:49 PM
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Wait a minute!!! Let's get something straight - GM is about to go into bankruptcy and dealers have the stones to put a markup on cars? I don't care if it IS the new Camaro. 
Local dealer here wants $1,000 over for an '09 Z06. 
Local dealer here wants $1,000 over for an '09 Z06.
04-22-2009, 03:54 PM
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04-22-2009, 04:00 PM
#27
I am glad you are getting your jollies over seeing these cars. We all need something in our life that excites us.
I'm old now....60 this fall ....and have owned 6 or 8 gen one Camaros including a brand new SS396 4 speed coupe I got in the summer of 68 when I was 18 and working two jobs to pay for it.
Since then I have owned two completely stock 69 Z28s and several more big block 68s. They have all been sold since I got really tired of mixing octane booster to try and keep the engines from knocking themselves to pieces of the junk pump gas today. Also, I got tired of the terrible handling and lack of shoulder belts in the 68s.
But.....taking them to shows I must say they were and ARE beautiful. The most attractive Camaros ever built...and only three short years.
Now, you get my point that "what do I know". I'm old. Heck, I was just powershifting my muncie in the 68 a couple of years after learning to drive.....what do I know?
My opinion is that the new Camaro is shockingly ugly if judged in the same category as Camaros of all past generations. It's boxy, very heavy, and looks sluggish. And...even with the highest hp engine it will make a lot of noise but not be shockingly fast due to having to move 4000 or more pounds around.
Now, as a gentleman's sedan...kinda sinister looking with that solid feel.....not a bad car......But.....if I wanted a car like that it would be a Charger or Challenger which I think are more attractive.
Though some initial buyers will be as hot and bothered as you about this new brick on wheels here are some predictions:
1/ The "youth" market at which this is aimed will not be able to afford it.
2/ That same market will largely reject the styling.
3/ Dealers will all but kill the thing by stubbornly refusing to sell it at msrp instead demanding premiums that will cause cars to sit on the lots unsold.
I think it's a terrible shame that GM had a real opportunity here to produce a new Camaro from the ground up. They could have built a car that looked fast sitting still and instead they came up with one that looks like a brick on wheels.
Of course, what do I know? I'm getting old and even though I "was there" during the heyday of the muscle car and first Camaros I'm not "with it" today. It's a shame for me personally as I was planning to buy a new Camaro just for old times sake. Frankly though, I would not want to be seen in this thing-it looks like a cartoon to me. But, then, if it's aimed at the "gaming" generation perhaps this is the point.
On the other hand , at my advancing age, this might be a better car for me than the vette. It would be easier to get into and out of since it sits so much higher. Visibility would be much better than the vette for the same reason (my old neck is getting stiff ). Also, it's seats must be larger and probably stronger than in the vette to support my tired old back. Maybe I do need a new Camaro since, after all, it LOOKS like an older man's sedan to me and not a young man's sports car.
And, yah, I wish it well , my thoughts, opinions, and predictions are not a wish list by any means just what I think will be the case.
Oh, well. Time will tell. By the time the dealers get done adding their "market adjustments" to the high hp versions of the Camaro it will probably cost as much or MORE than a base no option C6 coupe....and we all know which car is light years better now don't we?
mahalo
ps 3747 lbs eh? Don't take that figure to the bank. My bet is it will tip the scales at close to 4000. It will make a lot of noise and be pretty fast ( about as fast as an SRT8 Cherokee SUV ) but get any camaro of any gen including this new one on twisties and forget it.
I'm old now....60 this fall ....and have owned 6 or 8 gen one Camaros including a brand new SS396 4 speed coupe I got in the summer of 68 when I was 18 and working two jobs to pay for it.
Since then I have owned two completely stock 69 Z28s and several more big block 68s. They have all been sold since I got really tired of mixing octane booster to try and keep the engines from knocking themselves to pieces of the junk pump gas today. Also, I got tired of the terrible handling and lack of shoulder belts in the 68s.
But.....taking them to shows I must say they were and ARE beautiful. The most attractive Camaros ever built...and only three short years.
Now, you get my point that "what do I know". I'm old. Heck, I was just powershifting my muncie in the 68 a couple of years after learning to drive.....what do I know?
My opinion is that the new Camaro is shockingly ugly if judged in the same category as Camaros of all past generations. It's boxy, very heavy, and looks sluggish. And...even with the highest hp engine it will make a lot of noise but not be shockingly fast due to having to move 4000 or more pounds around.
Now, as a gentleman's sedan...kinda sinister looking with that solid feel.....not a bad car......But.....if I wanted a car like that it would be a Charger or Challenger which I think are more attractive.
Though some initial buyers will be as hot and bothered as you about this new brick on wheels here are some predictions:
1/ The "youth" market at which this is aimed will not be able to afford it.
2/ That same market will largely reject the styling.
3/ Dealers will all but kill the thing by stubbornly refusing to sell it at msrp instead demanding premiums that will cause cars to sit on the lots unsold.
I think it's a terrible shame that GM had a real opportunity here to produce a new Camaro from the ground up. They could have built a car that looked fast sitting still and instead they came up with one that looks like a brick on wheels.
Of course, what do I know? I'm getting old and even though I "was there" during the heyday of the muscle car and first Camaros I'm not "with it" today. It's a shame for me personally as I was planning to buy a new Camaro just for old times sake. Frankly though, I would not want to be seen in this thing-it looks like a cartoon to me. But, then, if it's aimed at the "gaming" generation perhaps this is the point.
On the other hand , at my advancing age, this might be a better car for me than the vette. It would be easier to get into and out of since it sits so much higher. Visibility would be much better than the vette for the same reason (my old neck is getting stiff ). Also, it's seats must be larger and probably stronger than in the vette to support my tired old back. Maybe I do need a new Camaro since, after all, it LOOKS like an older man's sedan to me and not a young man's sports car.
And, yah, I wish it well , my thoughts, opinions, and predictions are not a wish list by any means just what I think will be the case.
Oh, well. Time will tell. By the time the dealers get done adding their "market adjustments" to the high hp versions of the Camaro it will probably cost as much or MORE than a base no option C6 coupe....and we all know which car is light years better now don't we?
mahalo
ps 3747 lbs eh? Don't take that figure to the bank. My bet is it will tip the scales at close to 4000. It will make a lot of noise and be pretty fast ( about as fast as an SRT8 Cherokee SUV ) but get any camaro of any gen including this new one on twisties and forget it.
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04-22-2009, 04:30 PM
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04-22-2009, 04:50 PM
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GM is not selling anything without giving it away and these will be no different.They took way to long to get them to market,they cost way to much and people will wait to see what becomes of GM.What a shame!!0-60 in 4.6 for a heffer notwithstanding!!
04-22-2009, 04:56 PM
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As written by Oregon C6:
"My opinion is that the new Camaro is shockingly ugly if judged in the same category as Camaros of all past generations. It's boxy, very heavy, and looks sluggish. And...even with the highest hp engine it will make a lot of noise but not be shockingly fast due to having to move 4000 or more pounds around."
"I think it's a terrible shame that GM had a real opportunity here to produce a new Camaro from the ground up. They could have built a car that looked fast sitting still and instead they came up with one that looks like a brick on wheels."
"Frankly though, I would not want to be seen in this thing-it looks like a cartoon to me. But, then, if it's aimed at the "gaming" generation perhaps this is the point."
"Maybe I do need a new Camaro since, after all, it LOOKS like an older man's sedan to me and not a young man's sports car."
Unfortunately, I tend to agree with most everything Oregon C6 writes above.
"My opinion is that the new Camaro is shockingly ugly if judged in the same category as Camaros of all past generations. It's boxy, very heavy, and looks sluggish. And...even with the highest hp engine it will make a lot of noise but not be shockingly fast due to having to move 4000 or more pounds around."
"I think it's a terrible shame that GM had a real opportunity here to produce a new Camaro from the ground up. They could have built a car that looked fast sitting still and instead they came up with one that looks like a brick on wheels."
"Frankly though, I would not want to be seen in this thing-it looks like a cartoon to me. But, then, if it's aimed at the "gaming" generation perhaps this is the point."
"Maybe I do need a new Camaro since, after all, it LOOKS like an older man's sedan to me and not a young man's sports car."
Unfortunately, I tend to agree with most everything Oregon C6 writes above.
04-22-2009, 05:28 PM
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I think this car is Hot Looking and I would like to have one next to my Corvette...
But I Will Never Pay Over Sticker for any CAR its
04-22-2009, 05:47 PM
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Balweg chevy in Madison WI is having a GM/corvette car show on May 9in which they are having an "official introduction" of the new camaro. there is also a cruise later in the day. I am going and can't wait to see the new camaro and all the vettes!!! tdb
04-22-2009, 08:31 PM
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I saw one at the local Chevy dealer this morning. It was an SS with 426 Horsepower that listed for around $35000. I don't know what the dealer is going to ask for it. They put it in the showroom with a cover on it; said they weren't supposed to display it until May 6th.
04-22-2009, 08:47 PM
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We got the flyer in the mail today from the local Chevy dealer too. I like the looks but it is awfully heavy. One article I just read says that the 400 HP auto is qucker 0-60 and in the quarter that the 426 HP M6. What's up with that? Must be the "optimized shift points".
I think I will keep my lighter, faster, and better looking Vette. I get better gas mileage too
I think I will keep my lighter, faster, and better looking Vette. I get better gas mileage too
04-22-2009, 09:02 PM
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04-22-2009, 09:04 PM
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I think the new Camaro could have been a really great car. If GM decided to make it a "2010" design vs the retro it could have been amazing. I don't know why they decided to make it like the old versions...I think the pricing is right, the V8s available is right but the look of the car inside and out could have been so much better if they took the last generation and just improved the heck out of it with the technology we all want (nav, etc)
