:rolleyes:

I've done more to my shark at age 19 then most 50 year olds have done to theirs in a lifetime

 

Yeah keep it all stock Cor.... cause we all know that GM is f'n perfect. :rolleyes:

 

I'm sorry if I stepped on your toes, Chuck S but I'm baffled by your attitude. I've always enjoyed our exchanges and I respect your knowledge but I can't say I admire someone who sulks away because his vision of the world doesn't overawe the rest of us.

This is a forum- people offer their knowledge, experiences and opinions and what people take away is up to them. If you want to share of your knowledge, experience and opinions, wonderful. If you don't want to play, it's too bad, but I'm not into coaxing people. I've never developed a taste for shoe polish. As a Texan, I should think you'd understand that. If you want to take umbrage each time someone disagrees with your opinion (stated or unstated) then you need a few sessions on the couch yourself, Herr Doktor.

As for not having enough true restoration questions, why would anyone ask a question here if someone's going to suggest dropping an I beam on their car? Original humour? :nonod:

Technicians and administrators? I would dare to say there are a few more classifications out there then two. If you're talking Corvettes, I've always freely admited my knowledge of Corvette lore and legend is cursury, at best. That's why I enjoy the Forum so much because I'm learning all the time. I don't have any illusions or pretentiousness.

You wanna flay me to the bone? Hey, I've been wrong before and if I'm misreading your "lurker status" on the Forum from the few cryptic remarks you've posted, I'm sorry.

Corzvette69, thanks for showing the pictures and I hope you don't let this exchange negatively influence your opinion of Factory Correct Resto. I hope if you have any other questions to ask or stories to tell, you'll include us. For instance, what happened to your car? It looks like either someone cut you off or forced you off the road!!

 

WOW!!!

After reading this whole thread, I'm beginning to think NCRS stood for

Non
Correct
Rates o'
Springs

:lolg:

 

Yeah, What he said... :thumbs:

 

While it was gentlemanly of you to apologize I didn't think it was necessary. I saw immediately that you were being sacrastic and humorous. Some people wouldn't know humor if it bit them on the butt.

 

Been thinking about this thread for a spell and it brings to a head something that I've been pondering lately.

I must admit that were I solidly in the factory correct camp, I'd likely be getting very concerned about the ratio of "factory correct" topics vs "general" topics lately here in the FCR Section.

Yes, this section was intended to include off-topic matters, but perhaps I have contributed to too much activity foreign to FCR issues. I'm not going away, but I will attempt to restrain my enthusiasm for posting about non-FCR matters here. I'll still be reading and contributing (mostly in C1/C2) , but I think Chuck has a legitimate reason for feeling concerned about the long-term survival of this section. I know I wouldn't want to see any FCR guys giving up out of disgust.

P.S. Chuck hasn't said a word about this to me through side doors or anything. :)

 

As an outsider, here's my .02:

67Heaven. I enjoy the articles posted. The do contribute to our knowledge base of the Corvette history.

Chuck, I agree with the above that it was gentlmanly to apologize as I too saw the humor immediately.

I personally believe that vettes should be restored to factory correct, as I do with ANY classic. Mine is not all original and as such, will modify it to best enjoy what the car was intended for...driving.

I come here for the learning since the NCRS board seems too into the minute details and I am not at that stage. I am more comfortable learning in a more open atmosphere.

I have had several mail coorespondences with members, and am greatful for the guidance I have received. My delimna in choosing between factory correct and driver (with the car as correct as financially makes sense) was made easier much in part to Stan Falenski. That is advice that is invaluable. I don't think the support would be as forthcoming on the NCRS boards.

Again, just my .02.

 

Robert, I've heard that mentioned here several times, that the NCRS board is too stiff, well it is. I do post questions over there once in a while since I'm a member, but they are usually impossible questions I couldn't get answered anywhere else, because no one else knows.

I think just about every technical question gets answered here, sometimes it may take a day or so, but it gets answered. Every question or post here is not going to be of a technical nature, so we won't get a tech question every half hour. This place was set up by Troy to be both a Factory Correct and an off topic board to replace the Discussion Board which was canned over at the NCRS site.

The FCR has definite place at the Corvette Forum, without it, the Forum would be incomplete, there are forums here on "Drag Racing" and "Babes", so I think a factory correct forum would be in order and it is.

I could easily hang out at the Z06 or the C-5 Forums here, but I don't, because my C-5 is factory correct being two weeks old. I'm staying here and I don't care if I have to answer my own posts, I WILL have a good time; nobody's going to rain on my parade. Maybe some posters are grouchy because of this terrible winter weather, I'm sure they will loosen up come Spring! :cheers:





[Modified by FXT, 10:21 PM 1/24/2003]

 

If Chuck S was posting here regularly and was familiar with Corzvette69, his comments wouldn't have provoked any reaction. I read the comments and I recognize the humour; no-one would realistically suggest dropping an I beam on a car. The comments afterwards about destroying the car quickly rather than slowly were inappropriate. Even so, if there was an established rapport between Chuck S and Corzvette69, it might have passed without comment. That wasn't and isn't the situation.

Chuck S complains about people having fun like it denigrates FCR to have a laugh, but then it's okay for him to drop the I beam. Am I missing something?

It wasn't fair or nice to jump all over the guy the first time he asks a question based on the false assumption that he was doing riceroni to his car. Everyone else tried to help Corzvette69. By the same token, I, too, acknowledge Chuck S apology.

I bounce around between Forums but I always check FCR first. I've had IMs from people on other Forums who says they won't post tech questions to FCR because they've read some of the rather snarky replies people have received. That's a damn shame and I don't think it would be the case if people took the time to consider their remarks before poking fun. Perhaps that's why I feel so strongly about this situation.

Enough about that.

When it comes to levity and frivolity for fun's sake, I would be the amongst the worst of the
lot. By the same token, I go out of my way to avoid insulting people and try to resolve any disputes or misunderstanding. If I've offended anyone by trying to have fun, I am truly sorry.... for them. Perhaps, like 67Heaven, I should eliminate my fun posts. I was under the impression people enjoyed having a giggle.

On to Factory Correct Resto- technical side. Like Robert, my car isn't going to be judged any time soon. I enjoy driving it too much. By the same token, as I repair and restore, I don't mind making things 'factory correct' or as close as I can get but only if it doesn't interfere with my enjoyment of the car. I don't intend to cut it up in an effort to replicate the "Corvette Summer" horror car either.

I'm very, very glad the NCRS exists because they've made it possible to maintain and/or restore Corvettes of all vintage. What other car has the aftermarket suppliers like Vettes? What other car has such detailed information on restoration available? Does that mean every old Vette should be restored 'factory correct?' Hell, no! Does that mean the FCR Forum should be dour discussors of details only? I hope not. :nonod:

 

So is anyone going to answer his question or is this group hug-fest going to Hi-Jackyl the thread?

Corey, the best way to lower the nose is to actually use the crane method, but use it to yank the SB and drop in a Rat motor. It worked great for me.:)

 

Hug Fest? No we are just "getting in touch with our feelings"! :lol:

Since no one still has not directly answered his question on how to lower the car, I will offer this:

I restored a '57 with no engine or trans a few years ago. The drivetrain I selected was a 350 ZZZ engine with aluminum heads and intake manifold. The bellhousing was aluminum as well as the M-22 trans case. This combination lightened up the drivetrain by about 125 lbs, and once installed, the front end of the car was sitting up too high, because the original driveline configuration was all cast iron.

To lower the front end, I had to remove the coil springs and measure the distance from the end of the top part of the coil (not the machined flat end) exactly 360 degrees, that is "one" coil. Say the distance of one complete coil was 8 inches. I began by cutting off 1/4 of a coil from the end (2 inches) on both springs and reinstalling in the car and let the car down to see how it looked. It came down a little, but not enough. So I cut another 1/4 of a coil off both springs, tried it again and the height of the car was exactly where I wanted it. This was for a '57 only, other Corvettes may differ.

The important thing to keep in mind is to cut just a little at a time. If you start out by cutting a whole coil on the first try, the top of the tires will be rubbing the top inner fender and the spring will be junk.

As for the rear end of the car, I can't think of anything except to remove one leaves out of the middle of the stack. Of course, that will change the whole geometry of the rear wheel setting and you will have to shorten the 4 bolts which hold the spring to the carrier assembly and then attempt to get the rear realigned correctly. If this is not an option, I sure many aftermarket vendors carry a kit to lower the rear. Below are '57 before and after photos.

Is that good enough? :D






[Modified by FXT, 12:36 PM 1/25/2003]

 

Patrick's given you a good idea about lowering the front of your 69. Lowering the rear on your 69 would be a bit different than on Patrick's 57.

I know of 2 ways. First is to use an F41 7 leaf spring. This is the HD spring, as opposed to the "standard" 9 leaf model. Using a 7 leafer will lower your rear about 1/2 inch. The trade-off is that the car will ride more stiffly....you'll feel a lot of bumps.

The second was is to buy longer outer spring bolts. These are the bolts that connect the spring to the trailing arm. By making the bolts longer, the T arm will go up "higher", and the car will sit lower. I don't know if anybody makes the longer bolts. I know that you would need HD Grade 8 fasteners to do this, not hardware store variety bolts. Hope this helps you out. :) Chuck

 

thanks Chuck G and Patrick.

fastguy, wanna donate a Rat ? :steering:

 

Sometimes it takes 34 posts to get an answer here...weez slo, but weez good. :lol: