Originally Posted by C6GrandSport10

WTF! What a joke! You handled yourself very well though. I would take my chances in court. I assume you are going?

If he had a car with similiar power (that he could drive normal, lol) he wouldnt be giving you sh*t! I think he might have been jealous. Sorry man that just sucks.

Originally Posted by Quick Silver Z

I don't interact well with Law enforcement so I try to avoid them. I accomplish this by leaving an already potent car in stock form and choosing my "airing it out" opportunities with great caution and precision.

There is only one type of person that dislikes an amateur lawyer more than a Police officer and that is a Judge! Pay your 2 tickets humbly and keep yer yap shut. You WILL make it worse for yourself by bringing cell phone video of you "getting on it" (on public streets) to show what it sounds like when "you get on it".

Let what seemed to be a pretty fair (not saying he needed to cite you) LEO (who gave no indication he knew he was being recorded) an excuse to "put the word out" on you and you'll be getting tickets for washing your car.




Oh, and welcome to Illinois, where your time revenue is always well spent...

Originally Posted by StKnoWhere

Bummer...

Mopar Jimmy's advise seems pretty much on the money -- but "I" would never:
1) just pay the ticket
2) represent myself for a misdemeanor
3) take internet legal advise

My objective at this point would be to minimize the long term damages - which may be your insurance increase/cancellation if convicted.

Court is a crap shoot. An attorney has the best odds to minimize the consequences at a cost probably less than what 12 mo of the insurance impact if convicted.

Try to find one with experience in the court who works with the DA, has lunch, plays golf, etc. with the court crowd.
Even better if he knows of the LEO. Spend a morning in court and watch who seems to be getting the best results.

Originally Posted by Quick Silver Z

I assume this to be current info -

"Illinois State statutes related to speed"

Squealing or Screeching of Tires: 1st or 2nd offenses are Petty Offenses. A 3rd offense (within 1 year) is a Class C misdemeanor. '625 ILCS 5/16-104.


Section 902.125 Tire Noise

No person shall operate a motor vehicle in such a manner as to cause or allow to be emitted squealing, screeching or other such noise from the tires in contact with the ground because of rapid acceleration or excessive speed around corners or other such reason, except that noise resulting from emergency operation to avoid imminent danger shall be exempt from this provision.

Section 902.102 Tires

No person shall operate or cause or allow the operation of a motor vehicle with one or more tires having a tread pattern which is composed primarily of cavities in the tread (excluding sipes and local chunking) which are not vented by grooves to the tire shoulder or circumferentially to each other around the tire.


Illinois - Exhaust Systems:

Section 902.101
No person shall operate or cause or allow the operation of a motor vehicle on a public right of way unless it is at all times equipped with an adequate muffler or other sound dissipative device which is:

a) In constant operation and properly maintained to prevent any excessive or unusual noise;

b) Free from defects which affect sound reduction; and

c) Not modified in a manner which will amplify or increase the noise of such muffler or other sound dissipative device above that emitted by the muffler originally installed on the vehicle so as to produce excessive or unusual noise.


Some light reading...

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs...5&ChapterID=49

http://www.ilga.gov/commission/jcar/.../092parts.html

Originally Posted by Mopar Jimmy

I knew you were a frustrated Attorney!

Originally Posted by Mopar Jimmy

Ok, since I am the resident Gearhead Attorney in these neck of the woods, and the Chicago Crew's Consigliere, I guess I should put in my two cents. What town did this happen in Aurora, Naperville?

First off, I agree with C6GrandSport, Copper was a complete Dick and I would say was jealous of your sweet blown Z06. Before you, Drew, and Sinister C6 came into the picture, I had the exact car with a forged LS6 engine making 710rwhp, with my ECS D1SC kit. It was LOUD to say the least just like you car is no doubt. SWEET Car you have by the way but unfortunately the more bad azz they are, the more attention they get from LEOs.

It is the first time I have seen a person getting ticket record the entire conversation between you and the cooper, very clever and interesting idea, although it probably put him on the defensive and may have taken away any chance you could talk yourself out of this chicken c hit arrest.

The cop knows a thing or two about peformance cars and usually those cops can be really cool, but with this guy being most likely jealous ,his knowledge about drag radials, loud exhaust, etc., seemed to worked against you.

Unfortunately, the cop is 100% accurate about any moddified exhaust system is illegal in Illinois, and he has got you on that one. Now I am not a traffic Attorney as my law practice is specialized in personal injury case, work related and not work related. That being said I have been a Lawyer for 23 years (this November) and certainly can make some solid recommondations for you if you decide to lawyer up! Of course I have more knowledge in this area than you average non-lawyer, but I am not a traffic Attorney.

THe squealing the tires charge is compete bull chit, and your right he probably heard your supercharger and all the other noise and thought you were squealing the tires.

HOWEVER, if you go to court on this issue it will be your word against his, and his testimony that he saw and heard the squealing of the tires IS EVIDENCE. Its direct eye witness evidence from the arresting officer, and most likely if you have a trial I think the Judge will side with the police officer (so your taking a risk on getting convicted on that if you have a trial). I don't know for certain that its a Class A Misdeamoner, but I would not be surprised if it is b/c it does follow into the same type of action like reckless driving would, be like smoking the tires, etc., so it might be but that is rather harsh (but Illinois for you the State makes me SICK)!!!

Another option that you probably don't want to do but is painless and probably least expensisve, is not spending several hundred dollars on an Attorney, and getting supervision if you have a good driving record. Hiring an Attorney may give you a better chance to have one class A misdeamonor charged reduced to a simple traffic citation, a misdeamonor is actually a crime like battery (getting in a fist fight) or reckless driving, drag racing, etc.

Have some decisions to make, I think your best bet is with an Attorney but if you decide you want supervision you don't need one. Let me know if you need any referrals on traffic Attorneys.

Unforutnately, driving these modified monster we take a risk for this chit to happen, which it does once in awhile, and thank GOD he did not hit you with some more serious charges that he could have pertaining to your exhaust (that he seem knowledgable enough about where he could have really caused you some headaches).

Also, you can always go into court on the first appearance on your own and talk to the Village Attorney to see if your eligible for Supervision, etc., and see if they are willing to drop the loud exhaust note etc., which they might be willing to do if you can produce a recent paid receipt from a mechanic shop showing you put back your stock TI C5 Z exhuast.

If things are going bad for you if you go to court solo, you could always then step up in front of the Judge and request one continuance, and tell him you decided you want to hire an Attorney, and you should have no problem getting it continued next time. Now if the cop does not show up, and more likey to happen if you continue it once, that is the best way to get both tickets thrown out of court, as you ask the Judge to dismiss the case b/c the complaining witness is not in court (the cop), and you would ask that "the case get dismissed for lack of prosecution, b/c there is no complaining witness).

You obviously want to avoid getting CONVICTED of the Class A Misdeamoner, or any moving traffic violation, as that will make you non-eliglbe for future supervision, insurance rates will probably go up, and Judge could hit you with a hefty fine for $500 or so (up to $1,000). Now technically one can get up to one year in jail if convicted of Class A Misdeamor, but that's not going to happen so don't even be concerned about ANY jail time.

Best of luck to you bro and I know your a drag racer and that is the place to have some FUN with your sweet blown C5 EBlue Z.

Originally Posted by Quick Silver Z

Ever see one of those courtroom drama TV shows or movies were the defending attorney grills his client in rehearsal by turning up the wick slowly till his client gets mad and he blurts out the wrong thing? I think I see that ready to happen by your reaction to my mild disagreement (undertone sprinkle) with you.

You are under the impression that you agreeing with one of the tickets matters in some way. The only thing that matters is the Officers testimony. I did read your post but was more intrigued by your videos. At what point did you make the Officer "squirm" (as titled)? When a cop says "like I told you for the fourth time" or "did I give you a ticket for that" he is begging you to stop digging your hole deeper. You should have stopped at 55 seconds before you decided to school the cop about what is " tire squealing" or what cats do to exhaust sound (I imagine you will attempt same with a judge?). You where as argumentative and impolite as could be to an officer who is a gearhead on top of it.

Me simply saying "I would just pay the ticket" might suffice but legitimate constructive criticism might give you more to ponder. In my experience a person that says "don't treat me like a kid" is usually acting like one.

BTW you never did say if you told the Officer he was being recorded???