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Old Nov 7, 2015 | 01:59 PM
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Old Nov 7, 2015 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by c4cruiser
I can't understand why things like troubleshooting or testing is done in a "production" environment.
Because sometimes it is necessary, such as the reason for the Edit being shown upon any edit, to make such a change. I said "troubleshoot" for the explanation because we were investigating an issue that is only possible on a live forum where the problem exists.

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If there is a problem, then there should be a test environment that is used only for things like that. Once a fix or an improvement is ready, it can be moved to the production side.
There is a test environment and has been for a long time (years). But that doesn't mean everything will be perfect. Look at companies like Apple to see beta and production doesn't always guarantee no issues to the end user.
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As a hoster and admin of a ton of vbulletin sites I have to defend them here for not having a "test" environment since you cant test a vbulletin site for anything more than "does the change completely crash the site and make it not load anymore" or "does it make it look bad instantly after a change".

Other than obvious scenarios like I listed above you will never find how a change effects a site without letting it "loose" in a production environment.

There is just no way to know how a change will show up with so many different browsers out there not to mention having enough people to try every possible way of using the site.

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But as I said above, we do have a "test" environment and have for years and there is a process used to test and pass or reject code changes. Of course there is way more variables out in production that may not be seen in a "test" environment.

But, again, this change to the Edit system was made to track down an issue that can only be done on a live forum. Such a change would have done nothing for us on a "test" environment.

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As a hoster and admin of a ton of vbulletin sites I have to defend them here for not having a "test" environment since you cant test a vbulletin site for anything more than "does the change completely crash the site and make it not load anymore" or "does it make it look bad instantly after a change".

Other than obvious scenarios like I listed above you will never find how a change effects a site without letting it "loose" in a production environment.

There is just no way to know how a change will show up with so many different browsers out there not to mention having enough people to try every possible way of using the site.




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