SgtRod

Seems like the camaro is faster than the vette... In passing and 5-60. What a disapointment. I dont think gm should hold back the camaro but they are forgetting about the vette. They are just relying on the z06 to compete with everything.

Getting beat by a camaro that will cost $15k less.

Its never been harder to decide what gm product to buy.

I almost bought a zl1 yesterday but it seems the new camaro ss will be just as fast.

Maybe they will shave another 20lbs off the vette and brag about it... Im ready for a 500hp c7. There is a lot of room between the base 460hp and the 650hp of the Z. We are going to get smoked by mustangs soon.

Lets not bring up lap times because thats just a marketing ploy..99% of us will never do one lap.

Dont flame me...im just upset the vette has stopped being the clear choice.

GMuffley

About the same effect of dropping the curb weight 300-400 lbs.

OLD_GOAT

OK here are my general thoughts after reading some of the replies.

First of all, the GT350R costs (per Motor Trend $63,500 base price) as much as my Z51 (before getting supplier pricing which knocked off another $7,000) and anybody who thinks they can get a new GT350R at MSRP and without a 'marketing adjustment' is delusional. Oh, at the end of the day it's still a Mustang, but a Mustang on steroids.

I congratulate GM on moving the Camaro SS back to the best pony car. The idea of the LT1 in the Camaro SS is a really good idea. Since my wife has diabetic nerve problems in her legs, we have to have an automatic. I never considered the Camaro SS because I didn't want to have the 35 horsepower 'hit' by getting the auto. The Mustang GT didn't have any hp loss because it was an auto vs. manual.

As an ex-owner of a 2013 Mustang GT, I was grossly disappointed in the new generation of the Mustang. Where GM gave the Camaro a good diet, the Mustang gained weight and the 15 hp extra isn't showing up at the strip. It didn't surprise me at all when I read the quarter mile test results.

Per the 12-2015 issue Motor Trend, the manual Camaro SS is priced around $38,000 which would put the auto around $40,000 and the Mustang GT they tested, also a manual, was at $47,000. It looks like the Camaro SS kicked *** in the bang for the buck test, however was the Mustang a premium model while the Camaro SS was a base model?

Like another poster stated, I could care less what any car did at the 'ring or any other place that wasn't measured by a quarter mile. I respect the fact that a lot of Vette owners are concerned about tracking their cars, but that's not me.

Can't a person buy a Hellcat for about the same price as the Mustang GT 350R? I'll take the Hellcat Charger or Challenger any day versus the Gt 350R.

My last two things are posted in a humility and not bragging.

My car is at 11.91 after just one night at the strip when brand new. Since then the car has more break in miles and I've learned how to launch her (per PDR 3.6 doing 0-60 and I feel there is more in her. I honestly feel that a 11.7 or faster may be in her future. This is bone stock and good Texas air is approaching in November through March.

At this time, I'm very happy for the Mustang and Camaro fans. However I'll take an automatic Hellcat any day over the manual only GT350R.

Speaking of delusional, when it was understood in the late 1970s that the days of muscle cars were over, boy were they wrong.

Lastly when they can make a car that looks this good, and runs like my automatic Z51 can, for $57,000, then I'll be concerned. As of yet, I'm not concerned at all.

motomanvette

But by only a tenth. Sounds like a driver's race. And a automatic Camaro might be FASTER than a 7-sp. Vette in the 1/4 mile.

NoOne

At the limit there will not even be close.

The Corvette has brakes as well as a steering wheel, everyone here only wants to compare the gas pedal.

thrilled

I believe we are getting into A Horse Power war.So with that no winners.Also with lower gas prices,how high will the HP get on cars?

MikeLsx

does it bother me the camaors are almost as fast? Ya it kind of does. but i am not getting rid of this car.

I know one of my friends is looking to get a new SS, and was saying that he thinks he might be able to take me on a race with the A8 transmission (mine is manual). I responded with i wont be surprised. He also commented although they may be close the vette is still a nicer car, and looks a lot cooler.

LT1 Z51

This is because for so long most cars here didn't have handling. I'd rather be faster around a course at the expense of straight line power. I find this isn't common (even virtually). I have most if not all of the cars I race in video games setup with suspension, braking, and tire upgrades before power, most do not. Power is overrated if you can't stop or turn.

motomanvette

I think you're confusing a 70's era Camaro with a 2016 model. Read the reviews, yes, this car can handle. Don't you remember years ago when a Z28 won "The best handling car in America" competition?

NoOne

I'm generally not one to reiterate the words of another but as someone else here said the instructors at Spring Mountain told me the same thing another poster said, the Camaro is not even close to the C7 when nearing the handling limit.

And they have driven the 2016's at that track.

According to the indicator on the PDR I was pulling 1.2g's in a sweeping corner, on stock tires.

The thing is, not many here will ever drive the car near the limit, so to you they may be close enough.

The C7 has:

E-Diff
Much superior tires
Better stock brakes
PTM
Less weight

I'm not knocking the Camaro, we are looking at a convertible for the wife, but it would be a summer cruiser, not a track car. To 90 percent of people out there they will say the cars are the same, but they are not.

0-60 used to be the sole measurement people went by. Since the C5 the F-body manual was faster than the auto and the stick were neck and neck with the better driving pulling out.

The Z28 is not a 50K car either, it starts at 72K. Now where near the same car and handling is subjective term, a good handling car can be a comfortable car to drive at the limit, it does not mean its faster.

SgtRod

http://m.cars.com/vehicledetail/#!vd...tyId=undefined

The Z/28 is close to a $50k car.

NoOne

Cherry picking an internet ad does not make it a 50K car:

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-z28-track-car.html

They have deals because they are going away to be replaced by the new gen car.

Then you have a car with no AC, manual seats.

That is about what you get, that is not a fully loaded C7 or even Camaro.

Replace most of the suspension, put super sticky tires on a car, and build it for the track and it will out perform a lot of cars, but that does not make it what the Corvette is.

Beyond the 911 probably the most capable track ready car that you can drive every single day, in comfort and without giving anything up amenity wise.

SgtRod

I wasnt aiming my post at you. However, a loaded c7 is not a $50k car either. A ZL1 is $50k and has magnetic ride.

The point is....its harder to defend the vette

Kracka

Speaking of the new Camaro...this is what I was doing on Saturday @ Texas Motor Speedway!

http://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/...07-camaro.html

The guy who took delivery has been a very good friend of mine for years; I couldn't be more excited for him!

stevebz06

The rule of thumb I've always heard is 3 to 1. So 70 pounds off rotating mass would be equivalent to 210 in your example.

3 Z06ZR1

Save a little more and get a Z06. Then you all can quit worrying about other cars.

djpatrick35

There's more to life than just straight lines, my friends!

thrilled

I paid $49,000 for my 2014 C7,unloaded. No options

VNAMVET

Those figures are not representative of how a C7 A6 can actually perform.

SilverEagle15

The current C7 Vettes/Z06's are the best looking and performance wise, sounding,best ride/ comfort vetted ever made! Awesome vehicle ! Just my honest opinion!