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Can you post the Viper's gearing, transmission and differential, (especially the ACR if it is different than the base Viper), and then post the C7 Z06's gearing(transmission and differential).
Also post the circumference of the rear tires of each car, as they contribute to "effective" gearing.
On paper, both cars are basically the same, but its the small differences that give each their respective character. And weight, gearing and lower engine redline is no wonder the Viper can edge out Z06 on the top end.
In my opinion a C7 Z06 with as aggressive aero and an equal driver would be within and 1 second of the ACR. That is if the heat management issue get resolved.
Let the "not a street car" excuses begin, and get squashed. Two of my friends drove to SEMA (Las Vegas) from Detroit, in an ACR extreme. They made it without any issue, only scraped the splitter once. And, they drove about 4 hours in a storm. The rain mode active handling worked excellent.
He will write up a full article when they return to Detroit next week.
Navigation
A/C
Airbags and full safety equipment
Cruise control
Rain mode handling setting
Stereo
Bluetooth phone connectivity
91 octane capability
Overdrive transmission
Two cup holders
iPod USB port
Rear view camera
You know, all those essential race car parts.
Nineball I enjoy your pictures and contributions to the automotive community but this the above statement is a bit of a reach. Can someone drive an ACR across country ... "yes" its a street car. But it will not be as comfortable and user friendly as the Z06.
My opinion:
Viper ACR (American Club Racer) -- race car masquerading as a street car.
Vette Z06 -- street car masquerading as a track car.
** Yes I meant to compare the Vette to a track and not a race car, for me there is a difference. **
Please note also. The car tested was a interior stripped out car. Also the car tested was a extreme aero car. So one would have to put out around $135,000 at minimum to purchase the same type car tested. I know because I am tried to purchase today. The max aero cars are not available yet.
I really would like to know why the test car was a gutted car seen in all the videos. I also hope that the stock car did not have a roll cage installed. This would disqualify if from being a stock car. Anyone that doesn't think the car was stripped of its factory interior needs to look again. Im trying to purchase one for my collection but would love to see some independent testing done against these times posted. 1:26 at Road Atlanta is just crazy.
Please note also. The car tested was a interior stripped out car. Also the car tested was a extreme aero car. So one would have to put out around $135,000 at minimum to purchase the same type car tested. I know because I am tried to purchase today. The max aero cars are not available yet.
I really would like to know why the test car was a gutted car seen in all the videos. I also hope that the stock car did not have a roll cage installed. This would disqualify if from being a stock car. Anyone that doesn't think the car was stripped of its factory interior needs to look again. Im trying to purchase one for my collection but would love to see some independent testing done against these times posted. 1:26 at Road Atlanta is just crazy.
The car wasn't gutted out. You can see all the interior panels like the way it is when you buy the Extreme ACR. This is the interior on the Extreme.
Please note also. The car tested was a interior stripped out car. Also the car tested was a extreme aero car. So one would have to put out around $135,000 at minimum to purchase the same type car tested. I know because I am tried to purchase today. The max aero cars are not available yet.
I really would like to know why the test car was a gutted car seen in all the videos. I also hope that the stock car did not have a roll cage installed. This would disqualify if from being a stock car. Anyone that doesn't think the car was stripped of its factory interior needs to look again. Im trying to purchase one for my collection but would love to see some independent testing done against these times posted. 1:26 at Road Atlanta is just crazy.
they're called "extreme aero", and they are available
The car wasn't gutted out. You can see all the interior panels like the way it is when you buy the Extreme ACR. This is the interior on the Extreme.
You should go back and watch the videos of the actual track run's. Yes the car was gutted of all the head liner interior pieces which you can see in the video's. Yes Im also aware all manufacture's use race seats but the video's of the laps don't lie. You can clearly see that its not the interior you have posted. Also looks as if there was a cage installed in the car but that could be just the frame work underneath the plastic pieces that were removed from the test car. Surely dodge wouldn't of gutted the interior of their test car. I have a Gen V viper and will be purchasing a ACR extreme aero car real soon. Just make sure all the facts are indeed facts.
Last edited by lawdogg149; 11-04-2015 at 08:44 PM.
Watching any video, you can clearly see the headliner and A-pillar plastics are removed. However, the door panel and transmission paneling are still in place. It makes me wonder if they removed the headliner to allow better clearance for a helmet. In my TA with a helmet on, I hit the headliner. Using words like "gutted" just seems like you are trying to stir the pot.
On paper, both cars are basically the same, but its the small differences that give each their respective character. And weight, gearing and lower engine redline is no wonder the Viper can edge out Z06 on the top end.
In my opinion a C7 Z06 with as aggressive aero and an equal driver would be within and 1 second of the ACR. That is if the heat management issue get resolved.
Removing the headliner for helmet clearance is common in the Viper with the stock seat. I have considered it on mine, I started with 1" lowering brackets for the seats.
The great thing about the new ACR is it is probably totally making Ford crap their pants about their new GT... (Their exact words on track performance were... "Bring it.")
The GT will have a HELL of a time beating that ACR, simply due to lack of massive brute force down-force. If a special track version is released in subsequent model years, we will probably see ACR records fall, but until then I don't think there's any way a slick GT is going to get there. Same is true with a Zora.
I admire Dodge for having the ***** to make this car... it's not like Ferrari couldn't strap giant wings to their cars and make them faster around a track, but they simply don't because looks matter too much. Dodge simply said we don't care, here's the best we can do. That's awesome.
gutted.. Lol. Seems like there is a new meaning for gutted.. He removed the a pillar plastic.. Car is gutted!!! Lol
Guys please be realistic.. That car wasn't gutted. Stop claiming things you have half knowledge to no knowledge just like some people claim Z06s have overheating issues even without owning one.
You should go back and watch the videos of the actual track run's. Yes the car was gutted of all the head liner interior pieces which you can see in the video's. Yes Im also aware all manufacture's use race seats but the video's of the laps don't lie. You can clearly see that its not the interior you have posted. Also looks as if there was a cage installed in the car but that could be just the frame work underneath the plastic pieces that were removed from the test car. Surely dodge wouldn't of gutted the interior of their test car. I have a Gen V viper and will be purchasing a ACR extreme aero car real soon. Just make sure all the facts are indeed facts.
The car is here at SEMA. It has a steel rollbar installed, for safety. That required lower sitting Sparco seats. And, they run the harness, instead of seat belts. The interior is not gutted, that 3 lb headliner was removed for helmet And rollbar clearance. I asked a tech, he said this car actually weighs more than stock, due to safety items installed.
Stock suspension, stock tune, stock tires, everything else stock. SCCA officials even inspected it, and certified the records.
You should go back and watch the videos of the actual track run's. Yes the car was gutted of all the head liner interior pieces which you can see in the video's. Yes Im also aware all manufacture's use race seats but the video's of the laps don't lie. You can clearly see that its not the interior you have posted. Also looks as if there was a cage installed in the car but that could be just the frame work underneath the plastic pieces that were removed from the test car. Surely dodge wouldn't of gutted the interior of their test car. I have a Gen V viper and will be purchasing a ACR extreme aero car real soon. Just make sure all the facts are indeed facts.
I think the z06 with equal aero and driver would at least tie the acr. Why do you think it would not? It's got a bit more power and the magnetic ride.
Well when you look at the times by Mero vs SRT ACR test driver there isnt much at VIR even with Z06 in its current trim plus Mero missed 3rd gear in that run and said a 2:40 could have been done.
No doubt the ACR is the faster track car and just truly awsome but wouldnt it be something for GM to send Mero out to all the same tracks and see what he could do.
11-04-2015, 07:30 PM
