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Nice numbers and well done. Sure, it’s proof it doesn’t have to be a ME design to be a track star, but I’ll take a ME version of this car over the FE one any day if it were an option to check, E.g., 0-60 in 3.2s is on par or slower than the base model Stingray... If I had $500k to blow that is, in any case it wouldn’t be on a car, but to each their own.
After a lot of thinking, I came to realize that the C8 didn't go midengine for performance, it did it for buzz. It was another of the many failures of Mary Barra to run the company, she thought by going mid engine it would elevate the balrand to Ferrari level. Instead, it's made a few people excited and turned away a lot more.
The 0 to 60 time is a function of the dsg, not the mid engine. When you remove all shifting time, your acceleration improves a lot. But 0 to 60 is sort of irrelevant these days. 3.x seconds is still slower than the Tesla a feat bro's dad bought him. So why have that as your brag if it's slower than a big ugly electric car?
GM has been lucky to be part of one of the most active economies in recent years. Their insane levels of mismanagement would have definitely sunk them by now if it wasn't for the economy where you could see even their lackluster products and find buyers.
After a lot of thinking, I came to realize that the C8 didn't go midengine for performance, it did it for buzz. It was another of the many failures of Mary Barra to run the company, she thought by going mid engine it would elevate the balrand to Ferrari level. Instead, it's made a few people excited and turned away a lot more.
The 0 to 60 time is a function of the dsg, not the mid engine. When you remove all shifting time, your acceleration improves a lot. But 0 to 60 is sort of irrelevant these days. 3.x seconds is still slower than the Tesla a feat bro's dad bought him. So why have that as your brag if it's slower than a big ugly electric car?
GM has been lucky to be part of one of the most active economies in recent years. Their insane levels of mismanagement would have definitely sunk them by now if it wasn't for the economy where you could see even their lackluster products and find buyers.
Seriously?
"It turned away a lot more"?
On what planet?
Don't like the C8? Great, everyone has an opinion.
But don't just make stuff up...
It is a great car. And, IMO, absolutely horrible looking. Made worse by all the tacked on aero.
And yes, you can get a FE car to perform like a hero...sadly, you have to tuck half the engine under the firewall and have 3 feet of front end before the radiator.
Seriously?
"It turned away a lot more"?
On what planet?
Don't like the C8? Great, everyone has an opinion.
But don't just make stuff up...
Sales numbers don't lie. They're selling as many 8s in a quarter as they were doing monthly before. Part of it is covid, sure, but that was happening before covid too. Real buyers don't like mid engine cars as much as front engine cars. Especially when you take away the manual transmission. You can't make a car that's divisive, takes away key features people like, and not expect it to be a failure, unless you're a GM executive.
It's not just C8, it's across the board. They focus on caddy sedans that haven't moved upmarket at all in the 20 years they've been trying. They let their full size trucks and SUVs languish and fall behind competitors. They take a great product like the baby duramax and let it die on the vine, and fail to capitalize on the diesel Colorado. Let alone the continued shrinking of camaro to the point of it being useless.
The MB is just ugly though. The Porsche 911 and Lamborghini are much more appealing cars on that list.
I have seen the AMGs in real life, they need to square the trunk off or something. It just looks out of proportion..
Yes, it can fly with ultra sticky tires ( DOT legal I know), but its just ugly
Sales numbers don't lie. They're selling as many 8s in a quarter as they were doing monthly before. Part of it is covid, sure, but that was happening before covid too. Real buyers don't like mid engine cars as much as front engine cars. Especially when you take away the manual transmission. You can't make a car that's divisive, takes away key features people like, and not expect it to be a failure, unless you're a GM executive.
It's not just C8, it's across the board. They focus on caddy sedans that haven't moved upmarket at all in the 20 years they've been trying. They let their full size trucks and SUVs languish and fall behind competitors. They take a great product like the baby duramax and let it die on the vine, and fail to capitalize on the diesel Colorado. Let alone the continued shrinking of camaro to the point of it being useless.
OK. Whatever you want to come up with. There was also a strike...a slow ramp up to production, then COVID...
How do YOU explain C8's selling for $10K - $20K OVER STICKER for USED ONES?
While you are a "REAL" buyer, there are plenty of other "REAL" buyers that are waiting for C8's. The fact that the 2021 model year is mostly spoken for (call a dealer NOW and ask when he can deliver a C8) proves how wrong you are.
And despite strike/Covid, GM sold 20,000 C8's in about 7 months. The C7 did 37,000 in a FULL year in 2014.
I think the only reason the C8 went mid-engine is because it is the only way, economically, that GM could engineer a sports car chassis capable of using normal, hybrid, and all electric drive-trains.
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Mid engine is the super cars real calling.. It allows engineers to balance a car better, and show their mad engineering skills. GM has so many vehicles to cater to so many different purposes. just think it all they had to do was a sedan, sports car and an SUV..
OK. Whatever you want to come up with. There was also a strike...a slow ramp up to production, then COVID...
How do YOU explain C8's selling for $10K - $20K OVER STICKER for USED ONES?
While you are a "REAL" buyer, there are plenty of other "REAL" buyers that are waiting for C8's. The fact that the 2021 model year is mostly spoken for (call a dealer NOW and ask when he can deliver a C8) proves how wrong you are.
And despite strike/Covid, GM sold 20,000 C8's in about 7 months. The C7 did 37,000 in a FULL year in 2014.
Most used cars are going for well over new prices. Cars, trucks, SUVs. Used Explorer STs with 30k are going for over MSRP. It's a weird time. For sure.
We can make excuses l, talk about how 21 is sold out, whatever we want... That doesn't change that it was a sales flop. They likely would have sold more cars had they extended the C7. That's a bad design change, and more proof if inept leadership at the top of GM.
12-29-2020, 07:25 AM
There Goes GM's Theory on Why the Corvette Must be Mid-Engine
