745 mile range battery and 10 minute charge time
07-11-2023, 10:41 PM
#41
Race Director
You've missed the point. It's not that suddenly mining is an issue. It's that you don't get to claim the moral and environmental high ground when your claim to it is total crap. If EV charging works better for some people, that's great. But pushing an EV agenda in the name of climate change is BS.
07-11-2023, 10:43 PM
#42
Le Mans Master
The real irony is that I love the fact that American sources of fuel power my vehicle instead of relying on foreign interests. The dumb neckbeards can keep their shitty tuktuks and continue fueling some Saudi prince's lavish lifestyle, but I'll pass on that.
07-11-2023, 10:45 PM
#43
Le Mans Master
You've missed the point. It's not that suddenly mining is an issue. It's that you don't get to claim the moral and environmental high ground when your claim to it is total crap. If EV charging works better for some people, that's great. But pushing an EV agenda in the name of climate change is BS.
...Look at M855A1. Some genius found a way to get a deadlier bullet funded...but making **** up about ground water and pollution.
...Look at EV's. All the tax dollars secured for CCS chargers every 50mi of highway.
Me? I just wanted a safer, faster, cheaper to drive vehicle.
07-11-2023, 10:54 PM
#44
Race Director
Pushing stuff through green WORKS though...
...Look at M855A1. Some genius found a way to get a deadlier bullet funded...but making **** up about ground water and pollution.
...Look at EV's. All the tax dollars secured for CCS chargers every 50mi of highway.
Me? I just wanted a safer, faster, cheaper to drive vehicle.
...Look at M855A1. Some genius found a way to get a deadlier bullet funded...but making **** up about ground water and pollution.
...Look at EV's. All the tax dollars secured for CCS chargers every 50mi of highway.
Me? I just wanted a safer, faster, cheaper to drive vehicle.
Chevy had the EV right with the Volt. Electric motor(s) for power, small battery for modest EV only range, and a gas (or diesel maybe? Let's go wild) generator for range extending. 98% of drivers could make that work for their day to day, and not have the massive wasteful batteries, be zero emissions most of the time, and not have range anxiety. If any of the fullsize SUVs came like that every suburban family in America could switch to a near zero fuel use. Same with fullsize trucks. The fact that Ford and Toyota have hybrid trucks that BEG to be turned into a PHEV is a damn crime. Even if they did it as a mild hybrid (though admittedly I would prefer the fat torque of a multi electric motor powertrain with the ICE motor being a range extender).
IMO, it's corruption in Congress. They're pushing very hard to have credits only go to full BEVs, not PHEVs that people will actually buy. Wonder how many mmbers of Congress have big stakes in battery companies and Tesla...
07-11-2023, 11:38 PM
#45
Race Director
Shhhhuuuuuuurrrrreeee...... all those murican made batteries built off child slave labor for materials and then put together somewhere not in the US.......
The Top 10 EV Battery Manufacturers in 2022
The Top 10 EV Battery Manufacturers in 2022
This was originally posted on Elements. Sign up to the free mailing list to get beautiful visualizations on natural resource megatrends in your email every week.The global electric vehicle (EV) battery market is expected to grow from $17 billion to more than $95 billion between 2019 and 2028.
With increasing demand to decarbonize the transportation sector, companies producing the batteries that power EVs have seen substantial momentum.
Here we update our previous graphic of the top 10 EV battery manufacturers, bringing you the world’s biggest battery manufacturers in 2022.
Chinese Dominance
Despite efforts from the United States and Europe to increase the domestic production of batteries, the market is still dominated by Asian suppliers.The top 10 producers are all Asian companies.
Currently, Chinese companies make up 56% of the EV battery market, followed by Korean companies (26%) and Japanese manufacturers (10%).
The leading battery supplier, CATL, expanded its market share from 32% in 2021 to 34% in 2022. One-third of the world’s EV batteries come from the Chinese company. CATL provides lithium-ion batteries to Tesla, Peugeot, Hyundai, Honda, BMW, Toyota, Volkswagen, and Volvo.
Rank Company 2022 Market Share Country #1 CATL 34% China 🇨🇳 #2 LG Energy Solution 14% Korea 🇰🇷 #3 BYD 12% China 🇨🇳 #4 Panasonic 10% Japan 🇯🇵 #5 SK On 7% Korea 🇰🇷 #6 Samsung SDI 5% Korea 🇰🇷 #7 CALB 4% China 🇨🇳 #8 Guoxuan 3% China 🇨🇳 #9 Sunwoda 2% China 🇨🇳 #10 SVOLT 1% China 🇨🇳
Other 8% ROW 🌐
07-12-2023, 12:53 AM
#46
Le Mans Master
That's my thing. They have their perks for sure. Hell I'd argue that electric motors are superior in general. But my issue is I don't like the idea of being forced to buy something because of made up claims of environmental friendliness.
Chevy had the EV right with the Volt. Electric motor(s) for power, small battery for modest EV only range, and a gas (or diesel maybe? Let's go wild) generator for range extending. 98% of drivers could make that work for their day to day, and not have the massive wasteful batteries, be zero emissions most of the time, and not have range anxiety. If any of the fullsize SUVs came like that every suburban family in America could switch to a near zero fuel use. Same with fullsize trucks. The fact that Ford and Toyota have hybrid trucks that BEG to be turned into a PHEV is a damn crime. Even if they did it as a mild hybrid (though admittedly I would prefer the fat torque of a multi electric motor powertrain with the ICE motor being a range extender).
IMO, it's corruption in Congress. They're pushing very hard to have credits only go to full BEVs, not PHEVs that people will actually buy. Wonder how many mmbers of Congress have big stakes in battery companies and Tesla...
Chevy had the EV right with the Volt. Electric motor(s) for power, small battery for modest EV only range, and a gas (or diesel maybe? Let's go wild) generator for range extending. 98% of drivers could make that work for their day to day, and not have the massive wasteful batteries, be zero emissions most of the time, and not have range anxiety. If any of the fullsize SUVs came like that every suburban family in America could switch to a near zero fuel use. Same with fullsize trucks. The fact that Ford and Toyota have hybrid trucks that BEG to be turned into a PHEV is a damn crime. Even if they did it as a mild hybrid (though admittedly I would prefer the fat torque of a multi electric motor powertrain with the ICE motor being a range extender).
IMO, it's corruption in Congress. They're pushing very hard to have credits only go to full BEVs, not PHEVs that people will actually buy. Wonder how many mmbers of Congress have big stakes in battery companies and Tesla...
07-12-2023, 12:54 AM
#47
Le Mans Master
More irony...
Shhhhuuuuuuurrrrreeee...... all those murican made batteries built off child slave labor for materials and then put together somewhere not in the US.......
The global electric vehicle (EV) battery market is expected to grow from $17 billion to more than $95 billion between 2019 and 2028.
With increasing demand to decarbonize the transportation sector, companies producing the batteries that power EVs have seen substantial momentum.
Here we update our previous graphic of the top 10 EV battery manufacturers, bringing you the world’s biggest battery manufacturers in 2022.
The top 10 producers are all Asian companies.
Currently, Chinese companies make up 56% of the EV battery market, followed by Korean companies (26%) and Japanese manufacturers (10%).
The leading battery supplier, CATL, expanded its market share from 32% in 2021 to 34% in 2022. One-third of the world’s EV batteries come from the Chinese company. CATL provides lithium-ion batteries to Tesla, Peugeot, Hyundai, Honda, BMW, Toyota, Volkswagen, and Volvo.
Rank Company 2022 Market Share Country #1 CATL 34% China 🇨🇳 #2 LG Energy Solution 14% Korea 🇰🇷 #3 BYD 12% China 🇨🇳 #4 Panasonic 10% Japan 🇯🇵 #5 SK On 7% Korea 🇰🇷 #6 Samsung SDI 5% Korea 🇰🇷 #7 CALB 4% China 🇨🇳 #8 Guoxuan 3% China 🇨🇳 #9 Sunwoda 2% China 🇨🇳 #10 SVOLT 1% China 🇨🇳
Other 8% ROW 🌐
Shhhhuuuuuuurrrrreeee...... all those murican made batteries built off child slave labor for materials and then put together somewhere not in the US.......
The Top 10 EV Battery Manufacturers in 2022
The Top 10 EV Battery Manufacturers in 2022
This was originally posted on Elements. Sign up to the free mailing list to get beautiful visualizations on natural resource megatrends in your email every week.The global electric vehicle (EV) battery market is expected to grow from $17 billion to more than $95 billion between 2019 and 2028.
With increasing demand to decarbonize the transportation sector, companies producing the batteries that power EVs have seen substantial momentum.
Here we update our previous graphic of the top 10 EV battery manufacturers, bringing you the world’s biggest battery manufacturers in 2022.
Chinese Dominance
Despite efforts from the United States and Europe to increase the domestic production of batteries, the market is still dominated by Asian suppliers.The top 10 producers are all Asian companies.
Currently, Chinese companies make up 56% of the EV battery market, followed by Korean companies (26%) and Japanese manufacturers (10%).
The leading battery supplier, CATL, expanded its market share from 32% in 2021 to 34% in 2022. One-third of the world’s EV batteries come from the Chinese company. CATL provides lithium-ion batteries to Tesla, Peugeot, Hyundai, Honda, BMW, Toyota, Volkswagen, and Volvo.
Rank Company 2022 Market Share Country #1 CATL 34% China 🇨🇳 #2 LG Energy Solution 14% Korea 🇰🇷 #3 BYD 12% China 🇨🇳 #4 Panasonic 10% Japan 🇯🇵 #5 SK On 7% Korea 🇰🇷 #6 Samsung SDI 5% Korea 🇰🇷 #7 CALB 4% China 🇨🇳 #8 Guoxuan 3% China 🇨🇳 #9 Sunwoda 2% China 🇨🇳 #10 SVOLT 1% China 🇨🇳
Other 8% ROW 🌐
Last edited by BSSN; 07-12-2023 at 01:11 AM.
07-12-2023, 02:01 AM
#48
Race Director
Yea....I'm sure Korean owned SK batteries don't use any of those materials needed for the EV6 batteries supplied by kid slave labor... What people will say to feel comfortable with a contrived narrative...
What people will say to feel comfortable with a contrived narrative...
07-12-2023, 02:53 AM
#49
Le Mans Master
I bought SK because they make a great product.
07-12-2023, 07:04 AM
#50
Team Owner
Thread Starter
More irony...
Shhhhuuuuuuurrrrreeee...... all those murican made batteries built off child slave labor for materials and then put together somewhere not in the US.......
The global electric vehicle (EV) battery market is expected to grow from $17 billion to more than $95 billion between 2019 and 2028.
With increasing demand to decarbonize the transportation sector, companies producing the batteries that power EVs have seen substantial momentum.
Here we update our previous graphic of the top 10 EV battery manufacturers, bringing you the world’s biggest battery manufacturers in 2022.
The top 10 producers are all Asian companies.
Currently, Chinese companies make up 56% of the EV battery market, followed by Korean companies (26%) and Japanese manufacturers (10%).
The leading battery supplier, CATL, expanded its market share from 32% in 2021 to 34% in 2022. One-third of the world’s EV batteries come from the Chinese company. CATL provides lithium-ion batteries to Tesla, Peugeot, Hyundai, Honda, BMW, Toyota, Volkswagen, and Volvo.
Rank Company 2022 Market Share Country #1 CATL 34% China 🇨🇳 #2 LG Energy Solution 14% Korea 🇰🇷 #3 BYD 12% China 🇨🇳 #4 Panasonic 10% Japan 🇯🇵 #5 SK On 7% Korea 🇰🇷 #6 Samsung SDI 5% Korea 🇰🇷 #7 CALB 4% China 🇨🇳 #8 Guoxuan 3% China 🇨🇳 #9 Sunwoda 2% China 🇨🇳 #10 SVOLT 1% China 🇨🇳
Other 8% ROW 🌐
Shhhhuuuuuuurrrrreeee...... all those murican made batteries built off child slave labor for materials and then put together somewhere not in the US.......
The Top 10 EV Battery Manufacturers in 2022
The Top 10 EV Battery Manufacturers in 2022
This was originally posted on Elements. Sign up to the free mailing list to get beautiful visualizations on natural resource megatrends in your email every week.The global electric vehicle (EV) battery market is expected to grow from $17 billion to more than $95 billion between 2019 and 2028.
With increasing demand to decarbonize the transportation sector, companies producing the batteries that power EVs have seen substantial momentum.
Here we update our previous graphic of the top 10 EV battery manufacturers, bringing you the world’s biggest battery manufacturers in 2022.
Chinese Dominance
Despite efforts from the United States and Europe to increase the domestic production of batteries, the market is still dominated by Asian suppliers.The top 10 producers are all Asian companies.
Currently, Chinese companies make up 56% of the EV battery market, followed by Korean companies (26%) and Japanese manufacturers (10%).
The leading battery supplier, CATL, expanded its market share from 32% in 2021 to 34% in 2022. One-third of the world’s EV batteries come from the Chinese company. CATL provides lithium-ion batteries to Tesla, Peugeot, Hyundai, Honda, BMW, Toyota, Volkswagen, and Volvo.
Rank Company 2022 Market Share Country #1 CATL 34% China 🇨🇳 #2 LG Energy Solution 14% Korea 🇰🇷 #3 BYD 12% China 🇨🇳 #4 Panasonic 10% Japan 🇯🇵 #5 SK On 7% Korea 🇰🇷 #6 Samsung SDI 5% Korea 🇰🇷 #7 CALB 4% China 🇨🇳 #8 Guoxuan 3% China 🇨🇳 #9 Sunwoda 2% China 🇨🇳 #10 SVOLT 1% China 🇨🇳
Other 8% ROW 🌐
07-12-2023, 10:59 AM
#51
Race Director
What makes you believe that I need to pretend any of it came from wholesome sources to feel comfortable? This world is an ugly, heartless place, and I don't need to virtue signal or self-delude or self-limit to feel any sort of way.
I bought SK because they make a great product.
I bought SK because they make a great product.
Swoosh...Slurping in full force...
I'm glad you're good with the supply chain that uses child slave labor for materials regardless of where its assembled....
07-12-2023, 11:10 AM
#52
Race Director
Panasonic makes lots of their batteries IN THE USA. Just because it is a business out of Japan doesn't mean that the batteries are made there. Panasonic is the main supplier for Tesla and in order for Teslas in the US to qualify for the Tax Credit, they have to be made in the US and they are made in the USA by a Japanese company. Where the company is based at does not determine WHERE they are producing the batteries. Many foreign companies make batteries in the US just like they make cars in the US. Most Toyotas in the US are made in the US even though they are a Japanese company. LG produces a lot of their batteries in the US as well (Michigan)
Wow...I didn't see that coming...
Yea...but those pesky rare earth metals that don't come from here....In the US the tooth fairy delivers them ...
This will be here before more than a 700 miles range that charges really fast EV is produced...
07-12-2023, 11:15 AM
#53
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Wow...I didn't see that coming...
Yea...but those pesky rare earth metals that don't come from here....In the US the tooth fairy delivers them ...
This will be here before more than a 700 miles range that charges really fast EV is produced...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2tDOYkFCYo
Yea...but those pesky rare earth metals that don't come from here....In the US the tooth fairy delivers them ...
This will be here before more than a 700 miles range that charges really fast EV is produced...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2tDOYkFCYo
07-12-2023, 12:21 PM
#55
Team Owner
Thread Starter
07-12-2023, 01:28 PM
#56
Race Director
Not surprised at all at your entitled comments about slave labor and child slave labor used to make the batteries in your Tesla...
I guess in your head Hitler murdering more than 6 million Jewish people should have been ignored as well because its none of our business...
Can't wait for flying car...
Last edited by hawkgfr; 07-12-2023 at 01:38 PM.
07-12-2023, 01:43 PM
#57
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Not surprised at all at your entitled comments about slave labor and child slave labor used to make the batteries in your Tesla...
I guess in your head Hitler murdering more than 6 million Jewish people should have been ignored as well because its none of our business...
Can't wait for flying car...
I guess in your head Hitler murdering more than 6 million Jewish people should have been ignored as well because its none of our business...
Can't wait for flying car...
A laptop with a lithium ion battery?
If you do, it would be a good idea to STFU as you would be a fkng hypocrite.
07-12-2023, 02:10 PM
#59
Team Owner
Thread Starter
Lots of bad things happen in 3rd world countries and you can't fix all the wrongs in the world.
I'm certainly not the hypocrite here claiming that they care about 3rd world countries. I don't, so there is no reason for me not to promote EV's.
If you would really care, you would own nothing with a Lithium battery in it. You don't care. You hate EV's and that's why you point to the 3rd world countries.. Before EV's, you were just fine with slave labor.
Last edited by GrandSportC3; 07-12-2023 at 02:20 PM.
07-12-2023, 04:16 PM
#60
Race Director
I'm not selling anything. I report FACTS about the advantages of EVs. Cobalt mining won't go away if there weren't any EV's. It's a bullshit argument.
Lots of bad things happen in 3rd world countries and you can't fix all the wrongs in the world.
I'm certainly not the hypocrite here claiming that they care about 3rd world countries. I don't, so there is no reason for me not to promote EV's.
If you would really care, you would own nothing with a Lithium battery in it. You don't care. You hate EV's and that's why you point to the 3rd world countries.. Before EV's, you were just fine with slave labor.
Lots of bad things happen in 3rd world countries and you can't fix all the wrongs in the world.
I'm certainly not the hypocrite here claiming that they care about 3rd world countries. I don't, so there is no reason for me not to promote EV's.
If you would really care, you would own nothing with a Lithium battery in it. You don't care. You hate EV's and that's why you point to the 3rd world countries.. Before EV's, you were just fine with slave labor.
More entitlement speak....
Just say it...you're all in on kid slave labor and you're not promoting anything EV on a Vette forum...
Last edited by hawkgfr; 07-12-2023 at 04:24 PM.