Low Dyno #s?
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Low Dyno #s?
Hey all,
Wondering if these #s are normal:
H/C/I 01 ZO6
Blackwing Intake
Kooks Long Tube Headers
Corsa Race Exhaust
Mild Cam (I don't have specs with me unfortunately).
I know this info is kind of vague, but the car recently put down an SAE-corrected 384 to the wheels.
Is that normal? The car is 385 stock to the crank, so a full H/C/I increasing WHP by approximately 45 seems to be on the low side (assuming .88 crank-to-whp conversion ratio). I would have thought approximately 400 to the wheels would be more likely.
I wish I had a picture of the dyno or more information on the specifics of the cam, but I just recently purchased the car and have the information at home.
What do you guys think?
-K
Wondering if these #s are normal:
H/C/I 01 ZO6
Blackwing Intake
Kooks Long Tube Headers
Corsa Race Exhaust
Mild Cam (I don't have specs with me unfortunately).
I know this info is kind of vague, but the car recently put down an SAE-corrected 384 to the wheels.
Is that normal? The car is 385 stock to the crank, so a full H/C/I increasing WHP by approximately 45 seems to be on the low side (assuming .88 crank-to-whp conversion ratio). I would have thought approximately 400 to the wheels would be more likely.
I wish I had a picture of the dyno or more information on the specifics of the cam, but I just recently purchased the car and have the information at home.
What do you guys think?
-K
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From: Niceville Florida
Hey all,
Wondering if these #s are normal:
H/C/I 01 ZO6
Blackwing Intake
Kooks Long Tube Headers
Corsa Race Exhaust
Mild Cam (I don't have specs with me unfortunately).
I know this info is kind of vague, but the car recently put down an SAE-corrected 384 to the wheels.
Is that normal? The car is 385 stock to the crank, so a full H/C/I increasing WHP by approximately 45 seems to be on the low side (assuming .88 crank-to-whp conversion ratio). I would have thought approximately 400 to the wheels would be more likely.
I wish I had a picture of the dyno or more information on the specifics of the cam, but I just recently purchased the car and have the information at home.
What do you guys think?
-K
Wondering if these #s are normal:
H/C/I 01 ZO6
Blackwing Intake
Kooks Long Tube Headers
Corsa Race Exhaust
Mild Cam (I don't have specs with me unfortunately).
I know this info is kind of vague, but the car recently put down an SAE-corrected 384 to the wheels.
Is that normal? The car is 385 stock to the crank, so a full H/C/I increasing WHP by approximately 45 seems to be on the low side (assuming .88 crank-to-whp conversion ratio). I would have thought approximately 400 to the wheels would be more likely.
I wish I had a picture of the dyno or more information on the specifics of the cam, but I just recently purchased the car and have the information at home.
What do you guys think?
-K
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you mention HCI yet say something about a unknown cam and dont mention heads or FAST intake...so sounds like a dinky cam only 01Z...and your numbers may not be too far off what they should be...the guy above mentioned 460-480...which is correct when using PREMIUM HCI parts and a maximized combo...most HCI guys are lucky to see the sunny side of 440rwhp because they use budget parts or dont have all the pieces to the puzzle
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you mention HCI yet say something about a unknown cam and dont mention heads or FAST intake...so sounds like a dinky cam only 01Z...and your numbers may not be too far off what they should be...the guy above mentioned 460-480...which is correct when using PREMIUM HCI parts and a maximized combo...most HCI guys are lucky to see the sunny side of 440rwhp because they use budget parts or dont have all the pieces to the puzzle
The intake is a Blackwing. I wasn't aware the FAST is a premium while Blackwing is a much lower quality.
And when you said "heads", I'm assuming that refers to "headers", and as I understand, the car has Kooks Long-Tube Headers already installed with a Corsa Race Exhaust system.
Do you think it's simply in need of a solid tune? I just bought the car last Wednesday and everything checked out (it blew super-clean for smog here in CA as well). I even have the receipt for the cam install.
-K
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are you sure it has aftermarket heads? look for the casting # at the front lower part of the head...report back
it has long tubes? and you passed cal smog? i thought the cali guys said they don't allow long tubes to pass smog there?
it has long tubes? and you passed cal smog? i thought the cali guys said they don't allow long tubes to pass smog there?
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I'll need to go home and grab the sheet with the specs on the kind of cam that was installed.
The intake is a Blackwing. I wasn't aware the FAST is a premium while Blackwing is a much lower quality.
And when you said "heads", I'm assuming that refers to "headers", and as I understand, the car has Kooks Long-Tube Headers already installed with a Corsa Race Exhaust system.
Do you think it's simply in need of a solid tune? I just bought the car last Wednesday and everything checked out (it blew super-clean for smog here in CA as well). I even have the receipt for the cam install.
-K
The intake is a Blackwing. I wasn't aware the FAST is a premium while Blackwing is a much lower quality.
And when you said "heads", I'm assuming that refers to "headers", and as I understand, the car has Kooks Long-Tube Headers already installed with a Corsa Race Exhaust system.
Do you think it's simply in need of a solid tune? I just bought the car last Wednesday and everything checked out (it blew super-clean for smog here in CA as well). I even have the receipt for the cam install.
-K
, but I have to ask. If it isn't lumpy, you probably just have a stock cam.What USAFZ06 said about the premium parts is correct. Should have threw that in. Even if it is a cam only car, you should be putting more to the wheels than what you are. Dynojets don't read low, mustang dynos do.
Hurry and report what you have
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Info!
I have the information!:
Kooks 1 3/4" headers
Kooks X pipe w/ cats
Corsa Race Exhaust
224 Cam 114 LS4
Blackwing Intake
All of this was installed and tuned at Synergy Motorsports in Fremont, CA.
I don't have a way of scanning my dyno graph, but it was done on a dynopack dyno, and the pulls look like this:
384.6HP
372.6TQ
Ratio: 3.420
TCF: 1.00
Gain: -0.1
The graphs look pretty solid when compared with other dyno graphs I've seen.
The cam spec isn't very specific. Could it just be a stock cam that was REPLACED, or a very mild aftermarket cam? On the work invoice for the cam work, it just lists "Cam package"
cam-S $425
Pushrods-S $125
Springs-S $300.00
Do you think this could just be a regular maintenance item and I misunderstood?
Thanks for all the help so far guys
-K
Kooks 1 3/4" headers
Kooks X pipe w/ cats
Corsa Race Exhaust
224 Cam 114 LS4
Blackwing Intake
All of this was installed and tuned at Synergy Motorsports in Fremont, CA.
I don't have a way of scanning my dyno graph, but it was done on a dynopack dyno, and the pulls look like this:
384.6HP
372.6TQ
Ratio: 3.420
TCF: 1.00
Gain: -0.1
The graphs look pretty solid when compared with other dyno graphs I've seen.
The cam spec isn't very specific. Could it just be a stock cam that was REPLACED, or a very mild aftermarket cam? On the work invoice for the cam work, it just lists "Cam package"
cam-S $425
Pushrods-S $125
Springs-S $300.00
Do you think this could just be a regular maintenance item and I misunderstood?
Thanks for all the help so far guys
-K
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looks like a cam only set up then...(only internal mod)
cam/ headers/ cai
makes more sense than the cam/heads/intake you stated at 1st....
here is a vid of a vette with one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBmmuOYOplM
it is a "smaller cam" that is what most people will prob tell you.... but are you happy with the power it puts down, and how it drives?
cam/ headers/ cai
makes more sense than the cam/heads/intake you stated at 1st....
here is a vid of a vette with one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBmmuOYOplM
it is a "smaller cam" that is what most people will prob tell you.... but are you happy with the power it puts down, and how it drives?
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As long as the numbers look right, I'm not so concerned.
The car recently had it's major servicing done, so I'm happy with the way it turned out and the way it runs.
Coming from an E36 M putting about 200 to the wheels, 380 is nuts, so I'm going to take my time and learn to control and respect the power before I worry about more mods. Next mod will definitely be the driver mod with some track time and auto-X.
I just wanted to make sure that things added up.
Thanks for the help
-K
The car recently had it's major servicing done, so I'm happy with the way it turned out and the way it runs.
Coming from an E36 M putting about 200 to the wheels, 380 is nuts, so I'm going to take my time and learn to control and respect the power before I worry about more mods. Next mod will definitely be the driver mod with some track time and auto-X.
I just wanted to make sure that things added up.
Thanks for the help
-K
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As long as the numbers look right, I'm not so concerned.
The car recently had it's major servicing done, so I'm happy with the way it turned out and the way it runs.
Coming from an E36 M putting about 200 to the wheels, 380 is nuts, so I'm going to take my time and learn to control and respect the power before I worry about more mods. Next mod will definitely be the driver mod with some track time and auto-X.
I just wanted to make sure that things added up.
Thanks for the help
-K
The car recently had it's major servicing done, so I'm happy with the way it turned out and the way it runs.
Coming from an E36 M putting about 200 to the wheels, 380 is nuts, so I'm going to take my time and learn to control and respect the power before I worry about more mods. Next mod will definitely be the driver mod with some track time and auto-X.
I just wanted to make sure that things added up.
Thanks for the help
-K
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you mention HCI yet say something about a unknown cam and dont mention heads or FAST intake...so sounds like a dinky cam only 01Z...and your numbers may not be too far off what they should be...the guy above mentioned 460-480...which is correct when using PREMIUM HCI parts and a maximized combo...most HCI guys are lucky to see the sunny side of 440rwhp because they use budget parts or dont have all the pieces to the puzzle
Couple that with the 3:90's and M12 tranny I put in, the car is a blast to drive.
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From: Spartanburg South Carolina
Just remember that everything happens for a reason, and I 'm sure you will be back in something even better before too long.
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From: MD
Exactly. it seems some folks (not you, but some folks) in the vette community obsess over dyno numbers. While it's fine for tuning, the track is where you really find out how much power your car is making.