Ms3 vs. Whiplash II
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Burning Brakes
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Ms3 vs. Whiplash II
On my 02 z06 with stage 1 ls6 heads, tpis headers, ported fast 90 and a ms3 cam (238/242 603/609 on 112 lsa) made 468/416. Same setup with the whiplash II (high 240/low 250 630/630 on a 113 lsa) it made 469/404. I havent been to te track yet to see what it will run but I can tell you the whiplash seems to drive and idle a lot better. It was tuned by Brian at Reckart Performance Tuning RPT in Cedar Park TX. He did a great job and really took his time to get all the bugs worked out. Tuning was performed on his dynopack dyno.
Drifting
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I can't see the graph on this gov't computer but I'm gonna say that your old MS3 setup will give you better e.t's than the new one. New cam may feel like it is pulling harder than the other cam but sometimes it could be the seat of the pants bliss. Were both cams tuned by same guy? If not, the tune on the new cam could be more accuarate than the last. Why so big of a cam on a 346?
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Melting Slicks
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I can't see the graph on this gov't computer but I'm gonna say that your old MS3 setup will give you better e.t's than the new one. New cam may feel like it is pulling harder than the other cam but sometimes it could be the seat of the pants bliss. Were both cams tuned by same guy? If not, the tune on the new cam could be more accuarate than the last. Why so big of a cam on a 346?
Example...http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...NTERSTITIAL_15
Thanks......
Racer
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It seems most cams, ans even stock, make about 250 rwhp at roughly 3500 rpm...then the power goes up from there....
So this still leads me to wonder what the differences are below that? Are these big cams LESS power than stock below that?
I'd sure like an MS3....but....on the street with 3.42 gears (maybe 3.90)???
So this still leads me to wonder what the differences are below that? Are these big cams LESS power than stock below that?
I'd sure like an MS3....but....on the street with 3.42 gears (maybe 3.90)???
Racer
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I'm interested in this thread too. How streetable is the MS3 for a weekend only driven car? what LSA would you recommend? MS3 is on the top of my list and I'm shopping for cams, so is the whiplashII. My main focus is to make power in the midrage from 4-7k rpm, don't mind a choppy idle but do mind car always turning off.
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Burning Brakes
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The ms3 is pretty streetable IMO. I had it on a 112lsa and had minor bucking at lower rpms. The whiplash feels a lot smoother and doesn't buck as bad as the ms3. They both pull hard above 3500rpms. The main reason I changed to the whiplash was my tuner had put them in a few vetts and was really impressed with how it drove. You don't really see many fbodies with the whiplash because they are to heavy and it doesn't make enough low end torque. I'm going to try and make it to the track here in the next week or two to see how it does. I know from a roll 50-140 I'm dead even with a 600whp 09 gt500 now and with the ms3 he would beat me every time. That was on a closed air strip
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In my opinion a roll race does not prove sh*t. And about the F-bodys, they typically are a couple 100lbs heavier but.....thats all relative to the combo. What are the intake ABDC points of each cam ?? That would be a starting point in gathering data between the two cams(as far as creating bottom end grunt).
Thanks....and the whole propriatary cam data is BS IMHO. Degree it in or throw it on a cam doctor and get your info.
Thanks....and the whole propriatary cam data is BS IMHO. Degree it in or throw it on a cam doctor and get your info.
Racer
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The ms3 is pretty streetable IMO. I had it on a 112lsa and had minor bucking at lower rpms. The whiplash feels a lot smoother and doesn't buck as bad as the ms3. They both pull hard above 3500rpms. The main reason I changed to the whiplash was my tuner had put them in a few vetts and was really impressed with how it drove. You don't really see many fbodies with the whiplash because they are to heavy and it doesn't make enough low end torque. I'm going to try and make it to the track here in the next week or two to see how it does. I know from a roll 50-140 I'm dead even with a 600whp 09 gt500 now and with the ms3 he would beat me every time. That was on a closed air strip
So ur saying the whiplash performs better from a roll than the ms3? I mainly want this car for street use from a roll, not exactly a track junky, which would u say performs better considering I will only be revving the car to 7k max. I am yet to see reviews on the whiplash or the prices on their cam kits either.
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Burning Brakes
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As long as it doesnt make me hate driving the car, and doesnt stall every 2 seconds I'm good.
So ur saying the whiplash performs better from a roll than the ms3? I mainly want this car for street use from a roll, not exactly a track junky, which would u say performs better considering I will only be revving the car to 7k max. I am yet to see reviews on the whiplash or the prices on their cam kits either.
So ur saying the whiplash performs better from a roll than the ms3? I mainly want this car for street use from a roll, not exactly a track junky, which would u say performs better considering I will only be revving the car to 7k max. I am yet to see reviews on the whiplash or the prices on their cam kits either.
You can call England green to get prices or you can build your own package. You can piece it together for around 850 here.
http://www.shopreckartperformancetuning.com/England-Green-Whiplash-II-Camshaft_p_282.html
Racer
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Both cams pull hard above 3500rpms but the whiplash "feels" a bit stronger. The whiplash being a bigger cam will pull all the way up to 7k where as the ms3 peaks at around 6500. I only pulled to to 6500 on the dyno and it prolly would have gained a few more ha I pulled it higher.
You can call England green to get prices or you can build your own package. You can piece it together for around 850 here.
http://www.shopreckartperformancetun...aft_p_282.html
You can call England green to get prices or you can build your own package. You can piece it together for around 850 here.
http://www.shopreckartperformancetun...aft_p_282.html
So ur saying the whiplash is a bigger cam yet more streetable and provides more power in midrange and up top? what was the LSA on either of the cams that you got? BTW we can't see the dyno graphs, the link doesn't work.