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Zorlac 04-20-2012 09:53 AM

Fusing & the big three
 
On the big three upgrade, the wire from the alternator to the battery. Since a short could occur anywhere along that length of wire an?d if the car is running there is a power source on each end (battery & alternator) shouldn't we fuse each end?

dougbfresh 04-20-2012 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Zorlac (Post 1580605641)
On the big three upgrade, the wire from the alternator to the battery. Since a short could occur anywhere along that length of wire an?d if the car is running there is a power source on each end (battery & alternator) shouldn't we fuse each end?

:crazy: What are you trying to say/ask here?

Zorlac 04-20-2012 11:56 AM

Shouldn't we fuse at the battery and the alternator?

dougbfresh 04-20-2012 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Zorlac (Post 1580606730)
Shouldn't we fuse at the battery and the alternator?

What are you trying to do?:toetap: Still can't make sense out of the 1st post

Zorlac 04-20-2012 02:06 PM

I'm doing the big three upgrade. My concern is the wire from the alternator to the battery. Should I fuse both ends in case it wears through and shorts to a ground?

dougbfresh 04-20-2012 02:10 PM

What is the BIG THREE UPGRADE?

Zorlac 04-20-2012 02:22 PM

Oh....A wire from the alternator to the positive battery post. A wire from the frame to negative battery post. A wire from motor to the frame.

Zorlac 04-20-2012 02:23 PM

Supposed to help with current and grounds.

dougbfresh 04-20-2012 02:25 PM

Really, people are doing this-WOW. I've had corvettes for 25 years, never needed this silliness. Just keep what you have clean and tight, why add to the confusion?

baxsom 04-20-2012 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by dougbfresh (Post 1580607931)
Really, people are doing this-WOW. I've had corvettes for 25 years, never needed this silliness. Just keep what you have clean and tight, why add to the confusion?

why dont you go actually look this up before you get all crazy with the negativity. It is common knowledge that low voltage on these things can cause issues and there are countless posts on this site about how the big three can cause a substantial increase in voltage. Most people are saying .2-.5 increase in average voltage.

On fusing, all of the write ups on how to do this say that one fuse is good enough.

dougbfresh 04-20-2012 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by baxsom (Post 1580607997)
why dont you go actually look this up before you get all crazy with the negativity. It is common knowledge that low voltage on these things can cause issues and there are countless posts on this site about how the big three can cause a substantial increase in voltage. Most people are saying .2-.5 increase in average voltage.

OK, I have 2 degrees in Electrical Engineering-think I understand how ELECTRICITY WORKS. Why not 10 wires or 20? again-WOT.

Khaalathas 04-20-2012 03:17 PM

Should try a degree in etiquette. Course alot of of peeps on these forums do seem to have giant epeens. overcompensation anyone?

Zorlac 04-20-2012 03:31 PM

One fuse still concerns me. If it's fused at the battery and shorts the fuse pops and isolates the battery but 1 its paralleled with the factory wire which is still supplying positive to ground (the ground being a worn spot in the insulation touching something) & 2 if the car is running voltage from the alternator up the length of the wire to the blown fuse. Am I just overly paranoid?

dougbfresh 04-21-2012 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Zorlac (Post 1580608406)
One fuse still concerns me. If it's fused at the battery and shorts the fuse pops and isolates the battery but 1 its paralleled with the factory wire which is still supplying positive to ground (the ground being a worn spot in the insulation touching something) & 2 if the car is running voltage from the alternator up the length of the wire to the blown fuse. Am I just overly paranoid?

Leave what you have alone. Works FINE, lasts a long time. What problem do you think your trying to fix anyway?

leadfoot4 04-21-2012 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by dougbfresh (Post 1580613211)
Leave what you have alone. Works FINE, lasts a long time. What problem do you think your trying to fix anyway?

Doug, if you follow ANY other car discussion sites, you'll find that people, in some instances, are having electrical issues that are potentially tracable to marginal current supplies. This "big three" is a well known modification, although I think the OP has his wires confused.

I seem to recall I read someplace where it's an increased gauge battery positive cable, negative cable, and alternator to starter wire....or something like that.

If for no other reason, it's a big deal with the "thumper stereo" crowd.

_r2h 04-21-2012 03:36 PM

Anytime you have a positive wire that has the potential to ground out, fuse it.

dougbfresh 04-21-2012 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by leadfoot4 (Post 1580613808)
Doug, if you follow ANY other car discussion sites, you'll find that people, in some instances, are having electrical issues that are potentially tracable to marginal current supplies. This "big three" is a well known modification, although I think the OP has his wires confused.

I seem to recall I read someplace where it's an increased gauge battery positive cable, negative cable, and alternator to starter wire....or something like that.

If for no other reason, it's a big deal with the "thumper stereo" crowd.

Well I've had American cars all my life from all 3. 3 Corvettes-never had a problem. Add more wires and the next weakest link will melt, again-unless there is a GOOD reason to do this, DON'T do it.

Any aftermarket equipment that goes directly to Battery + will have it's own fuse to protect it or will want to connect to a fuse in the fuse block.

It sounds like he wants to add another wire from the alternator to the battery.

Funnone 04-21-2012 04:12 PM

:lurk::lurk:

Bill Curlee 04-21-2012 11:01 PM

The BIG 3 is a good upgrade and if done correctly, can help with providing the car with proper current. However,, you have to understand that many of the issues (electrical) that involve under-voltage are a result of a defective ignition switch.

Its a very common C5 issue and growing as time ticks by.

-C5 ignition Switch repair - http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c5-t...ch-repair.html

2) Use the following table to determine the maximum current for whatever wire gage is being used.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...evsGaTable.gif


3) Take the maximum current value obtained from the table and find the largest fuse you can find that still falls within the limitations. DO NOT EXCEED THE VALUES ON THIS TABLE! Common automotive blade-style fuses exist at 5A-20A in 5A Increments. Ex: 5A,10A,15A,20A

Check out where GM puts there fuses in the main power circuits:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ercharging.gif

The starter is not fused on the main power wire from the battery to the solenoid but it is from the solenoid to the alternator:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...lectricals.gif

I get my battery power from this point on the under hood fuse box. Its easy to get to and maintain.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...nstalls003.jpg

If you are going to upgrade the power,, DO THE GROUNDS also!:yesnod: I added a ground wire to the case of the alternator directly to G-101. :thumbs:

_r2h 04-21-2012 11:24 PM

Now that is a helpful post.


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