Coupe starts at $119,995. Convertible starts at $123,995
 

I'm not sure how accurate this is, since I just happen to do a random search for 1/4 mile time right after my intro thread and this article is only 13 mins old at the time of my posting. http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...t-look-review/ IF this is an accurate article, I'm guessing they are getting the info from the LA reveal. Pricing seems ok, but for me I'd be wanting a little lower of a time in the 1/4 than high 10s.

Brian

LAT says the same. Ugh. Discounts are inevitable, though.

http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...htmlstory.html

WOW! $119,995 base price!!! That is $40,500 over the base price of a Z06 ($79,495) That is a chunk of change for a bunch of carbon fiber pieces, a larger supercharger and extra cooling. They say high 10's in the 1/4 and under 3 seconds 0-60 with the A8 for the ZR1. The Z06 with A8 is 10.95 seconds in the 1/4 mile and 2.95 seconds 0-60. Sounds pretty close to me! This makes the Z06 the ultra performance bargain! IMHO

Yea, that is kind of what my thinking was too. I'm sure the times are probably conservative and you will see stock one's getting into the mid 10s and even maybe lower 10s but if the average 1/4 time is in the 10.60-10.80 range that's a little underwhelming for the premium. Unless of course you like the look and are wanting to do road courses which I'm sure it will do better with all that down force. But for most people who will buy it for the streets and maybe take it to the drag strip every once in a while you're better off with a Z06 and putting some bolt on's and you'll be right around the same or better.

You can option an $80k Z06 coupe up to around $110-115k so for a fully optioned ZR1 you may be looking in excess of $150k. Wow, I thought GM learned their lesson from the C6 ZR1, but apparently not.

Keep in mind too...you can get a great discount on a '17 or '18 Z and the ZR1 will most likely be MSRP or more! This would make the Z06 cheaper by 50 grand +.

:iagree: All the C7 model Corvettes you can add 30 grand of options if one so desires. GM should have learned from the last ZR1 pricing and also from Chrysler with the Dodge Viper ACR's listing for $130k+ and ended up discounting them 10's of thousands off to unload them.

It's not that much faster than a Z06.. I guess GM want a to charge 40k for better cooling, CF bits and 100 horses. SMH

Base price probably includes many features that would be options on the Z06. As we know for example that CC brakes are standard. I bet there is no stripper interior either.

It will probably be a short add on option list much like the Dodge Demon.

The 3LZ trim (or whatever they designate it) will add approximately $10,000 to the base price. A fully optioned ZR1 will MSRP for approximately $140,000.

Right where I thought it would be. A lot of people here were dreaming it would be cheaper and overlap with the Z06. No sir!

I'll pick up a garage queen ZR1 later when they depreciate and people dump them for the MORE EXPENSIVE mid engine car.

After getting 20k plus off my 17' Z06/Z07, and giving the dealer a deposit on a ZR1 at sticker price, so the base it at 120k add the 3LZ and as said it's a 135-150k car depending on what is standard and not standard equipment. Have to see the order info hopefully soon

That seems like a pretty good bargain.
A comparably equipped Z06, which would include at least 2LZ with PDR, Z07+full carbon package and competition seats, to the base ZR1 is a $101,000 MSRP car, so $119,995 is an addition $19k.

:rock::cheers::lurk::flag:

Sure makes a Callaway Z06 look pretty good.....
 

as an option if it is still available at $17K.

I think your math is off. 1LZ to 1ZR it's $92K to $120K if you include the Z07 package and required aero. 3LZ to 3ZR its $102K to $130K. Either way its a $28K up charge and that doesn't include the the ZTK package.

I like the car but I am disappointed in the pricing. I guess we'll see what the market forces end up being.

Once I account for tax and license, and my optioned new 2017 Z06 price, verse the base ZR1 including tax and license, it would be a $43,000 difference. As much as I like the ZR1 I just can't see spending that much more. I'm sure the base price is for a manual so if you want an A8, it will add even more to the price+ guzzler tax.


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2017 Z06, A8, 2LZ, PDR/NAV, Other Extras

:iagree:

For some time, there seemed to be concern that intro of the C7 ZR1 would have significant negative impact on C7 Z06 demand (similar to what was observed with intro of the C6 ZR1 on C6 Z06 demand).

There are those that are in the "gotta have it" category --- but I'm guessing that there is enough of a price jump up for the C7 ZR1 to keep demand for the C7 Z06 safe from cannibalization.

Yeah, I was one of them thinking that the base price would be at $109,495...off by $10,500! :hide::hide:

Is anyone honestly 'that' surprised? What was the delta between a base 2009 C6Z and the base 2009 C6ZR1? $72k vs. $103k?? That's a $31k delta. Not much different than now.

FYI - the delta between a GT3 and a GT3RS is over $30k.

Callaway is $17k for 100hp and some cooling. GM is asking $30k more (compensating for the CCB) for 100hp, upgraded cooling, more carbon fiber (expensive), exclusivity and no spats (LOL). All in all, doesn't seem that crazy to me. Maybe $5k 'too' expensive. Oh well.

Sure it's expensive...but this is what manufacturers do with their top of the line models. Look at Porsche...look at what Mercedes does with their AMG vs AMG-s package. They charge silly amounts for not 'that' much additional performance.

I'll say this...if this car challenges a GT2-RS in any capacity...and a McLaren 720s...then it's the deal of the century. Sure it's likely $10k more than many thought...but it's still a smoking deal all things considered.

It'll be a 9.9s car on drag radials on a hero run...10.5s all day long bone stock A8, and more likely 10.3s on a good run...at 135+mph...Maybe even touch 140mph. It's likely 2s (or more) a lap faster than the Z06. Pretty impressive. Last front engine Vette? If so, could be a collectors car...

:iagree: The performance of the two models are not that drastically different. However, the base price difference is! I think the Z06 sales may actually increase.....

:iagree: a bargain

Straight line/quarter mile speed it wont challenge the 720s. There are already videos showing stock 720s running 9.70s and 9.90s with stock tires. My personal opinion is it wont challenge the GT2-RS on the ring either, it will be fast but not that fast, probably right around what the Huracan Performante did or maybe a couple seconds slower.

Ditto. Pricing is disappointing. For me it's not enough of an improvement to justify selling my 2017 C7Z for one.

For $120k you'd think the dumb asses would at least put real forged wheels on it instead of cheap ass spun forged wheels. Sometimes you have to wonder who's in charge and making these decisions. Their employment should be terminated...

Rick

Also FWIW, another non-truth by Tadge when he said it wouldn't be more than double the price of a Stingray. Stingray base is $55,495. Double that is $110,990. Tadge should have been a politician...

I agree with you on the 720s comment...They are beasts that are more likely pushing 800hp. Hard to believe it's as fast or faster than a P1 with '200 less hp'...that's why I think they are a lot more than 720hp.

As for the GT2RS ring time...call me skeptical, but I don't think the GT2RS time is the same car you're getting at your local dealership, if you know what I mean. :thumbs: THUS, I think when they go to MRLS for an 'independent' test I think the ZR1 will compare VERY favorably. It has in the past with the C6, and there's no reason to think it won't now either. :cheers:

Rick, I think you need to step back from the keyboard and take a break. Further, stop insulting folks on the team.

"Juechter said the ZR1 won’t be double the price of the Stingray."

That's all that was printed in Motor Trend's reveal. That's it. Period. Full stop. "won't be double the price of the Stingray".

And it's not. It's more than that. He revealed what he was allowed to at the time he was allowed to. Get it?

Relax.

Yea the 720s is over 800hp at the crank. Two have already been put on the dyno and one was 680ish rwhp and another was 690ish rwhp. So unless McLaren has figured out some awesome technology that really limits drive train loss then they are definitely 800hp engines. It doesn't hurt that it's 3000lbs wet too. As for the GT2-RS I know what you are saying and I've heard other people say that. The same thing happened with the Huracan Performante.

My thinking on that is that there are enough 3rd party magazines and recreational drivers out there that will test this and while they might not be as good as factory race car drivers, they are good enough to where you can look at their times and the official times and see if something is up. But I think the ZR1 doing a sub 7 min time is definitely a possibility now. Which when you look at the price of a Perofrmante and GT2-RS(which will be impossible to get) it's a bargain for the road racer if it does sub7 min times.

I actually think the price is too low for the amount of performance you get. My problem is that the price is too high for the service / dealer experience you get.

jvp,

I respect you, your contributions to the forum and the help you previously provided me with a problematic car.

However, your constant condescending responses to forum contributors is getting old. Especially when you respond to valid comments/critiques. I haven't drank the Team Corvette Kool Aid as you have and will call a spade-a-spade. Your never ending support of the "team" is not always justified. Tadge consistently makes untruthful statements and should be held accountable for his words/actions.

The "team" does well on 90% of the car and then drops the ball on important items and falls short/lies trying to rectify. I spend a lot of money on Corvette's and as such have paid for the right to criticize/critique/comment.

I "get it", I'm just not sure you do as you have your Team Corvette blinders on. Your statement is just silly. I'm pretty certain people interpret Tadge stating it wouldn't be double the price of a Stingray implies it would be less.

Maybe it's time for you to stop the constant RAH-RAH-RAH, GO TEAM, even after the team fumbles the ball.

Rick

P.S. FYI, despite what Tadge has said my 2017 M7 still overheats on track and I believe there are a few people still waiting on the reasonably priced cooling retrofits he said would be available for 15 - 16 owners. I also saw his nose grow when he stated he wasn't aware of there being an issue with the cast C7Z wheels bending.

I won't even go into him stating he's unaware of there being an issue with valves dropping on the LS7 engines.

I'm just looking forward to seeing what the LT5 engine can hold for more power.

We really do hope it doesn't run into the same overheating issues like the Z.

Rick -

When you're able to argue my specific point without a rant and attack attached to it, get back to me. Calling the VLE a liar is pretty insulting and condescending as well.

I agree with Rick, won't double the price of a Stingray specifically indicates it won't cost more than $110k. Tadge words were off by $10k and that's pretty disappointing.

However, maybe GM upcharged the price after Tadge thought it would be around $110k? Or maybe he knows it will be $120k but wanted to yank our chains into believing the base would be $110k.. The 2nd scenario is where I have a problem with.

Remember guys this is a 1 year car with plans of only making ~2,000 of them. So if they made the price very attractive then chances are they wouldn't be able to meet the demand. GM may have purposely kept the price high to keep demand in check......

I saw Beyonce in a Pepsi commercial once...Not sure what they were implying, but I have a problem with them making my wife think she can look like Beyonce if she drinks Pepsi :rofl: :cheers:

Good luck getting one for MSRP in Southern Cal. esp when they first come out. I wonder if prospective Porsche GT3RS buyers were gutted when the MSRP was $178k, but then SURPRISED when the dealership charged $250k or more...and they still couldn't even get one at that price some times...

Not to be rude...but that's just business. Period. They will sell all 2000 units. Will you not buy another Vette because of it?

I'm with JVP on this...relax. It's not that big of a deal. The price is the price. All companies fibb. :thumbs:

We knew that! I knew that! That is why I rather have two Z06's 1 A8 and one M7. While saving a lot of cash!
119,995 doesn't include the GGT or the A8 costs. Now you are at 124-125k So over 130k for PDR and comp seats..anything more is extra. I just bought a 2017 Z06 A8 1500 miles
for 68 with PDR and black wheels.

Sure they will get rid of 2000 of them. Because every car they build is gone to a dealer where they may sit a while. Dealers get every car GM makes. I don't think they will flying off the lots. The dealer mark-ups, The MSRP will go up quickly. Not sure on the demand either. Look at the Viper ACR a like car big wing with no demand.
Be interesting to see how they do sell!
With out possible mark-ups which the first cars should have.
119,995 GGT and A8 your at 124. Then PDR and comp seats your at 130k and still don't have the track Aero.

I don't doubt they will find 2000 buyers.

The first 1000 will fly off the lots or are already sold, the 2nd thousand if they have to discount, they discount.

That is assuming it is a 1 year only run.

I like the car but as others have said, not so much the price. For that kind of coin, i can keep my Z06 and buy an Ariel Atom to also enjoy at the track.

I half saw this coming. He said it wouldn't be double but didn't state if that meant it wouldn't be more than double or less than double

I figured a 10k increase over a comparable Z06 if you optioned a Z06 with all the standard features of the ZR1. Guess that was wrong:willy:

THIS THIS THIS X1000

That is a whole lot of money to spend and then at oil change time have to sit for 2 hours drinking burnt coffee next to Sandra the soccer mom who is getting the tire patched on her 2003 Chevy Cavalier.

That's ridiculous anyone who thought the base car would be under 120k after seeing it! Even more so falling back on Tadge remarks he doesn't set any price
If 10k is stopping you were not a buyer anyway. :cheers:

Some Corvette enthusiast's will even buy a second Z06 instead. :D
The low bill on the front and large wing say's I'm a track car and when on the street says look at me far more than I could do! I would screw that front spoiler up and be too po'd!

Agreed. I think it's going to take select locations that have the knowledge and ability to get them out the door while at the same time providing a great business transaction for both parties. Some dealerships straight up don't meet that criteria, but you know they'll end up with a ZR1 or two just to get the vehicle out there.

Did I miss something here? Who said the ZR1 is one (model) year only?

JVP you have to admit when Tadge talks people listen. When he said the ZR1 would not be more than double the cost of a Stingray 99% of the people would assume that means it would not be MORE than double the cost. Your response that Tadge meant it would be more than double the cost is just silly.

A starting price a hair below 120k was my exact guess over in the other "price is right thread". There were a lot of naysayers saying it would start at much less. What do I win? :)

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1595968392

Sorry you were 2nd place, I bid exactly over there at $119,995. :D

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That's the rumor than the C8 comes out.......

Touché. I guessed a "hair under 120k" as I was hedging my bets for a starting price of either $119,995 or $119,999 depending on which cliche marketing gimmick they decided to go with.

Heck base price is just a marketing gimmick as base cars with zero options are about as rare as unicorns.

I'm guessing they'll put the "starting at $119,995" line under a photo of a ZR1 optioned out to around $145k.

How many dealers will add their usual market adjustment to the MSRP? What does the future hold for the used C7 market with all the big discounts and dealer Flex Cash ?

Yeah, I can see it now....You see this new ZR1 loaded that lists for $136,000 but the dealer wants $15000 more. Ask about your 2017 Z06 trade in and wants to allow you $60,000.

I love living in a "RED" flyover state. I can buy a ZR1 from a number of dealers at MSRP.

I really don't get all the hate towards Tadge. I think he cares very much about the Corvette community and is even willing to take time every week to respond to our questions. I do think he sometimes gets a little far out over his skis and shares information that probably isn't totally final and when things change folks take as though he intentionally lied.

Personally, I'd rather have someone share the best information they know at the time with us rather than just a bunch of no comments until there is a formal press release. However, if everyone keeps accusing him of being a liar I wouldn't blame him if he just stops sharing anything.

Well geez, you can say that about the Stingray w/Z51 if you wanted to. I could buy a Stingray, put 20k worth of performance parts on it and it would be able to keep up with any C7 and I'd still have change left over.

Odd GM makes 2 HD version of these cars. Why not just make one? I agree with folks saying thats alot of cash for some cf, 100 more hp and cooling. Regardless I hope they sell well

I hadn't seen this posted anywhere else but it looks like the ZTK package is $2,995. If nothing else, I think that is reasonable.

I believe this is from the official press release but I saw it here:
http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...les-auto-show/

So for 120K the ZR1 comes with over 750 HP while a 911 at that price is like 400 or 430. What a hose job.

LOL! So true!

Stingray? GS could say that but the stingray needs the rubber and the body not worth all that. The Z06 is a good choice for those who like the
power. Now we have the ZR1 supercar killer. Good for the brand!

I dont believe it'll be a one year car.
But that could just be my wishful thinking. :yesnod:

I am not surprised by the prices. Personally I would just wait anyways for someone to buy it and pay for the clear bra treatment only to park it in their museum for a few years, then sell it to me for $80k. :D

How impossible do you guys think they will be go get in the beginning? Dealers are canceling orders with deposits from years ago saying they want to keep them (means they want to sell them for more profit)?Im thinking they may sell over 150k (with dealer markups) for the first year and then stabilize after year 2 and 3 of them being out and more being made. What do you guys think?

Possible. Disappointing but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.

Here's another thought for those that are upset at the quote from Tadge: what if he were actually mis-quoted? In other words, what if the writer from Motor Trend misheard something, made an assumption, and wrote what he thought he heard?

;)

Kai was just about spot on when estimating a fully optioned ZR1 would be as high as $150,000

$124,000 for a vert
$10,000 for 3ZR trim
$7,000 for the Sebring Orange interior package (includes competition seats)
$3,000 for the ZTK performance package.
$2,000 or so for chrome wheels or other wheel upgrade
$1,700 for automatic transmission
$1,700 for gas guzzler tax
$1,000 for R8C delivery

That's about $150,400 and you might have options for winter tires, etc., as well as the engine build experience for $5,000. You could actually top a purchase out for more than $150,000!

minor difference, but I thought the press release said the destination charge was included in the starting prices published therein ?

Good catch! I will correct my post. :cheers:

And a two day free Spring Mountain class (that many of us would have paid the $1,000 for)
Car is getting cheaper (net).

As to the post above that dealers are cancelling deposits, any dealer who does that is not an acceptable one. I am betting that most, if not all, forum dealers charge MSRP.

Then Tadge would have promptly contacted MT and asked for a retraction. Otherwise, reasonable readers will and should presume that he was accurately quoted.

When you say to potential customers "this specified future product will not be twice the price of a specified current product," the same reasonable readers will and should anticipate that the future product will be LESS than twice the price of the specified current product. After-the-fact weaseling along the lines of "aha, it isn't twice the price, it's MORE than twice the price!" is neither amusing nor good business. Somebody needs to admit to a mistake.

You'd think someone's life was in jeopardy based on what they expected a ZR1 to cost, ridiculous. Maybe there will be a Congressional investigation of this along with "Ring Times"!


Jeeezzuus, the trolls are going after Tadge the way MSNBC crucifies President Trump.

You mean I can buy a Vette with a stripper pre-installed? :woohoo:

Well figure the c6 zr1 had a 5 year run(09-13) production of the C7 ends at 2021...4 year sounds about right for this ZR1

I mention the ZR1 might be a 1 year car and here's why grant you this is all speculation but if you were to believe there is a ME coming and believe the time line it's said that this could be released in the next year making this a C8 version.

Reading things like this, again take it with a grain of salt:

"As per unconfirmed reports, by the end of 2019 all the existing C7 models will be discontinued to pave way for C8 variant."

So it begs the question what will be the actual release date/year of the C8? The C7 is on it's 6th year so are we maybe looking at another 2 years for the C7?????

Also looking at all the changes the plant made recently would lead you to believe this wasn't for the present generation of Corvette but preparing for future or next generations of corvette.

Cars had a bad year in 17 compared to 2016. How many will pay the 150k to play? Which time you add your plates is easy. and I know Washington starts at 8.50 percent as high as 10 percent tax plus fees. Nebraska is high cost state to own a car too. Sales tax and a nasty personal property tax , wheel tax on cars too.

If the dealers cancel any orders it may backfire on them the C7 car is 5 years old with a freshen up and twice the price of any chevy trade in. I don't know the ACR reminds me since it was a track for 135k and didn't sell. When they have a great Z06 car at a little more than half price. They might sell 4,000 they might sell 2,000 or less I have no idea!

Exactly, Limited Production? Laughable. The "limit" is how many guys will be capable and interested enough to actually purchase one of these beasts.

Actually the limit will be set by the plant, remember they don't run 7x24 and now they have to build 4 different models on the same assembly line. Stingray, GS, Z06 and now ZR-1 as well as convertibles for each. So the question is not how many ZR-1's will they build? No the question is how many can they build?

Direct from the engineering team: there's no intention to purposely (artificially) limit production. They will be limited due to supplies, but will work with suppliers so they can output as many cars as are ordered.

Full stop.

Which is exactly what they told me as well. :thumbs:

Very true we have seen carbon fiber parts go on short supply and affect production. Could possibly be much worse this time. No small feat! :thumbs:

I think the ZR1 will still be more expensive than the base ME.