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Time to Kill Nurburgring Lap Record Reporting
This is getting ridiculous. If a heavily modified car with aftermarket racing seats, chassis/aero upgrades, preproduction tires, and a lot of the notorious Porsche 'Ring tuning can be crowned as the "record holder" then the debate is over. Porsche, and other mostly European manufacturers, are simply not using production cars for these tests anymore. If you use experimental parts/tires, extensive third party modifications, and custom tunes for that particular track it completely defeats the purpose of the "production car" comparison. The ZR1 had no chance with the deck stacked against it like this.
If LG Motorsports' modified Z06 had set a new record while in Germany just weeks ago it would have gotten virtually ZERO press and would have been dismissed as "a heavily modified, far from production car". That is exactly what Porsche just ran and is being heralded as the new "King of the Ring". Disgusting. https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-911...ing-lap-record |
I agree, "road legal" doesn't necessarily mean "showroom stock", which is what I would like to see from the car makers when this type of run is made.
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I thought the production street car record is now held by Lamborghini.
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Originally Posted by stevebz06
(Post 1598266803)
I thought the production street car record is now held by Lamborghini.
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Who cares? Well besides you. |
Originally Posted by TARANTULA
(Post 1598266842)
Who cares? Well besides you. GM, don't waste your money testing at the Ring! I don't blame you one bit for not releasing the times for the Z06 and ZR1 either! |
You sound bitter.
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Originally Posted by HPT
(Post 1598267431)
You sound bitter.
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Originally Posted by TARANTULA
(Post 1598266842)
Who cares? Well besides you. |
Originally Posted by HTXSkydiver
(Post 1598265737)
This is getting ridiculous. If a heavily modified car with aftermarket racing seats, chassis/aero upgrades, preproduction tires, and a lot of the notorious Porsche 'Ring tuning can be crowned as the "record holder" then the debate is over. Porsche, and other mostly European manufacturers, are simply not using production cars for these tests anymore. If you use experimental parts/tires, extensive third party modifications, and custom tunes for that particular track it completely defeats the purpose of the "production car" comparison. The ZR1 had no chance with the deck stacked against it like this.
If LG Motorsports' modified Z06 had set a new record while in Germany just weeks ago it would have gotten virtually ZERO press and would have been dismissed as "a heavily modified, far from production car". That is exactly what Porsche just ran and is being heralded as the new "King of the Ring". Disgusting. https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-911...ing-lap-record |
Originally Posted by HTXSkydiver
(Post 1598267957)
Thanks, great addition to the discussion |
Here is the thing, nothing stops GM from doing the same. Reality is corvette is much harder to drive at the limit, not as balanced, and it would take too many laps to get the perfect lap as a result GM just doesnt bother. I hardly doubt if Lars Ken was given ZR1 he would run a sub 7 minute lap first try like he did with gt2rs. Gt2rs has things ZR1 doesnt offer like RWS, massive aero (in another league), magnesium roof and wheels, race bucket seats. Out of the box its easier to drive at the limit. We all know this but we still complain. Have you guys even sat in those porsche bucket seats? They are the closest racing seats in a road legal car you will see. I m sorry, the competition seats corvette has is just not good enough. This keeps going back to the fact that these cars are built for very different purposes. You just cannot daily drive a gt2rs but zr1 you easily could. |
Originally Posted by UnhandledException
(Post 1598268261)
Here is the thing, nothing stops GM from doing the same. Reality is corvette is much harder to drive at the limit, not as balanced, and it would take too many laps to get the perfect lap as a result GM just doesnt bother. |
Originally Posted by Warp Factor
(Post 1598268349)
Naw, it's budget that stops GM from doing the same.
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Who cares if a modified Porsche beats a stock Lambo Aventador. The Lambo hands down is much better looking.
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Originally Posted by UnhandledException
(Post 1598268261)
Here is the thing, nothing stops GM from doing the same. Reality is corvette is much harder to drive at the limit, not as balanced, and it would take too many laps to get the perfect lap as a result GM just doesnt bother. I hardly doubt if Lars Ken was given ZR1 he would run a sub 7 minute lap first try like he did with gt2rs. Gt2rs has things ZR1 doesnt offer like RWS, massive aero (in another league), magnesium roof and wheels, race bucket seats. Out of the box its easier to drive at the limit. We all know this but we still complain. Have you guys even sat in those porsche bucket seats? They are the closest racing seats in a road legal car you will see. I m sorry, the competition seats corvette has is just not good enough. This keeps going back to the fact that these cars are built for very different purposes. You just cannot daily drive a gt2rs but zr1 you easily could. GM will definitely have to step their game up by offering more options on the Corvette. Starting with a front lift kit, which all the top euro car makes have. Lift kit raises the front to clear driveways and speed bumps. |
Originally Posted by UnhandledException
(Post 1598268261)
Here is the thing, nothing stops GM from doing the same. Reality is corvette is much harder to drive at the limit, not as balanced, and it would take too many laps to get the perfect lap as a result GM just doesnt bother. I hardly doubt if Lars Ken was given ZR1 he would run a sub 7 minute lap first try like he did with gt2rs. Gt2rs has things ZR1 doesnt offer like RWS, massive aero (in another league), magnesium roof and wheels, race bucket seats. Out of the box its easier to drive at the limit. We all know this but we still complain. Have you guys even sat in those porsche bucket seats? They are the closest racing seats in a road legal car you will see. I m sorry, the competition seats corvette has is just not good enough. This keeps going back to the fact that these cars are built for very different purposes. You just cannot daily drive a gt2rs but zr1 you easily could. https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...f&action=click |
Originally Posted by UnhandledException
(Post 1598268409)
GM has far more profit surplus than Porsche in pure corporate terms speaking. |
Originally Posted by Lavender
(Post 1598268022)
What makes you think the GT2 RS that ran 6:48.xx was actually showroom stock?
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Originally Posted by HPT
(Post 1598268102)
No one's claiming it's a production car. Do some more research on Manthey-Racing, the parts on the car, the availability and support of those parts, then report back.
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