Congrats on getting everything sorted out and making big power

 

I don't disagree with you, but for the most part methenol or meth kits are added for safety and not used to make the tune. The quality of gas in California is somewhat less than what's available everywhere else so maybe you guys use it to get more power out of a car.

I'm on the East Coast, and you can get 93 / 94 octane gas readily. I would not want my tune to rely on meth just in case the tank went empty or something went wrong with the system, cause we all know what happens then, BOOM !!

All I stated is that most tuners post numbers based on pump gas and not race gas. Most of us use our cars for street duty and not racing only.

Cartek did a great job with the APS kit but I don't know what all of uproar is over the APS kit. In my opinion it is just on par with the other kits out there.

 

You get the lawyers invloved and when their done, you're lucky if you're getting half the horsepower...

 

big time congrats and you must be so happy.truly incredible and I will be the first to admit of being green with envy.have fun

 

Also, for those who don't understand why their is so many nay sayer, it is simpley becasue every kit put out/built to this point has stumbeled after 11 - 12psi. Actually, it's more than a stumble, it's basically a stop, becasue the HP doesn't keep goin up. It was clearly shown with the Vette Doctors vette when they gained 30 hp with 4 lbs of boost and that is nothing against Vette Doctors, this has been the norm with the kit. This was found on mine, Sam's and every other one. Orange's is the first kit to keep producing power after the 12 lb mark, and we're talking huge power!!! So if you're curious as to why people are doubting it, it's becasue ALL past results have showed the same thing, no more power after 12 Psi. But I think two substantial conclusions can be made with this that all APS owners can benefit from, they only pushed the car to 12 PSI and then they took the exhaust off and really made power. The exhaust has always ben a debate with this kit as a 3" is provided, and then you would have to mate to the 2 1/2". I don't beleive it's so much that the 2 1/2" sufocates it, I think the transition between 3" to 2 1/2" is the real issue. It basically creating a 1/4" square wall of steel all the way around the flange. That can't be good for flow. So I conclude we should change the exhaust and make it 3" all the way back.
2nd conclusion, and more importantly, if my first conclusion is wrong, I conclude we all have our APS kits done at Cartek!!!!!
Dan

 

Isn't that all part of the fun?

At least you APS guys know that there may be more there with your setups.

Like you said...just find someone who can tweak it or who has an interest in tweaking it.

 

RJW,

Huh,, coming from someone who goes above and beyond helping everyone on the forum with vital info about diffrent setup s ,

I must say im a little disappointed with your comments "HE PAID FOR IT"
we all paid top dollars and the info could be used to help people who DON"T extra have money laying around to do R&D.
How did that make you feel when you asked about the size of the meth kit nozzle and no answer?

 

Dan,

I am getting the 3 inch exhaust next week and will post before and after numbers

 

I share because I care to and hope others would do the same, but they have NO obligation to do so. Cartek and the other vendors do this for a living and have their reps and livelihood at stake.

While I feel your plight, I know that with your determination, you will get to your goal...and the good news is probably with your APS kit.

Who knows, maybe you'll make more?

Hang in guy and relax..you'll make it...maybe just not today.

btw: when people's loyalties are such that you can't even get an answer to a meth nozzle question, I just shrug and move on. If you are determined, you'll figure it out or find someone who can.

Sorry, i can't help....I don't play with things that look like snails. I put butter on them and eat them...

 

i would do cut outs first!

 

hahahaha......i am just sitting back in my lounge chair taken all this in.


iam origanally from sweden so....hehehehehehehehehe

 

Adam, Nice work with the stock C5 twin turbo system and I'm sure that other guys will finally work out that you need the right engine, fuel and tuning combination to yeild high rwhp, again congrats on your C5 build up and big props to the guys at Cartek, now go and enjoy your new found performce.

Peter

 

Amazing numbers

 

Im glad you are having Fun

 

Adam, question for you on the exhaust. What size exhaust have you opted for? You mentioned you opened it up on the high dyno, but for your driving what are you using. Well spent money on your system!

 

Sorry that will cost you

 

Guys,

Most everyone on the forum has been great. ECS, Vette Drs. and others. Thanks so much for your kind words and support. I sit here happy with my car but get sick inside, because a few bad apples have to ruin what forums are all about. I am happy to tell you everything I know about my current setup, but as you can understand, I can only tell so much. NO tuner would want their customers blabbing about what it took to make big power. They want us bragging about the customer satisfaction and the big power we have in our cars.

To clarify again. IT IS A STOCK KIT. SAME TURBOS, PLUMING, INTEROOLERS, ETC. As you know there is no way to put bigger turbos into the car. To define Max from Cartek’s comment “tweaking” What he meant by that, is we kept playing with the AFR, Running the kit with the exhaust off. Exhaust off from the intermediate pipes. We didn’t want to just take the mufflers off and melt the spring on the rear suspension. We ran the car with C16, with 93 octane, exhaust off, exhaust on. Different boost levels. ETC… We had a lot of trouble getting the Boost controller to work properly. For anyone who is interested in the controller, it was an AMS -1000. It is awesome, but it is real hard to configure. Once we got it working, it was amazing. If there were any secrets to this kit, I would have to say it is the boost controller, and how it maintains boost. We did not change the springs, they are still 8lbs.




For Vegas red: Here is your help from the forum.


Check your injector size. 60lbs is not enough injector to achieve the power I have.
Check your Cam. I can’t give you my specs. I am sure cartek will sell you one. The lingenfleter cam that Vette drs used for their 703 number worked great too.
Heads made a big difference. Cartek will sell you a set like mine
Check your compression ratio
Are you speed density tuned. (this makes a big difference with boosted cars)
Check your AFR Sorry guys; I can’t give that either, Call cartek
The difference with exhaust on or off was different depending on boost levels. It was about 30-45RWH difference and a little higher on torque. So a 2.5 inch exhaust is a bottleneck.


To clarify Mike C5Stealth. I am going to bring the car back and we are going to do some R and D work. We want to see what a 3 inch exhaust all the way back with out mufflers to see how it will perform. We would like get more out of this kit.


Also:

Cartek was not the only tuner who got this kit to perform. Vette Drs got 703/770 on 12psi with the exhaust on and pump gas. I wonder what the results would have been with that car had they put C16/18lbs of boost and no exhaust. Probably in the same neighborhood.

Any other questions please feel free to contact me at any time.

 

Less writing and more driving your car Adam

 

Thanks Mike,
That should probably happen next weekend or so.
Cant wait to catch you out there...........oh I mean see you out there

 

Any chance you can send me the info of person who I should talk to on the cost for the engine and turbo kit package like yours, OrangeCrush?