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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr.Ron
You can run no TPMS and you'll be fine. I did that in December and even drove to and from the track on DR's without TPMS, and besides the warning light in the dash, there were no issues!



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Actually they had sensors but not calibrated to your car. Just sayin.

Need to find you a shorter set.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr.Ron
You can run no TPMS and you'll be fine. I did that in December and even drove to and from the track on DR's without TPMS, and besides the warning light in the dash, there were no issues!



Nice runs!! Glad to see someone finally preload a little at the line with an automatic! Maybe try a little higher next time out and see what happens.



Don't go beating up on Ls1Lt1..He's actually a knowledgeable, great racer, a long time member and a VERY nice guy. He wasn't attacking you, as proven by his later posts.

Proper skinnies usually -0.1 in ET. Not detracting from your time mind you..And you are right, a 20 minute tire swap and a 10.38 is GREAT off the showroom floor....with better times to come I'd say!

He didn't say he wanted to be on any fast list, and as mentioned above, the way they've been set up is no category for only a 4 tire swap...but that is irrelevant in the OP's performance!

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The car would not stall higher then you see in video.... I wanna say 2500-2700ish
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
The car would not stall higher then you see in video.... I wanna say 2500-2700ish
I figured this would be the limit for a launch on drag radials but I really didn't think it would get a 1.51 out of it. I was thinking a low 1.6X or high 1.5X with that stall speed.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 03:37 PM
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OK Dr Ron, thanks. Now we're getting somewhere. That's what all of this is supposed to be about.
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Originally Posted by GARY2004Z06
Actually they had sensors but not calibrated to your car. Just sayin.

Need to find you a shorter set.

LOL
Thus, there were no sensors functioning. Better?

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The car would not stall higher then you see in video.... I wanna say 2500-2700ish


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OK Dr Ron, thanks. Now we're getting somewhere. That's what all of this is supposed to be about.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GARY2004Z06
Actually they had sensors but not calibrated to your car. Just sayin.

Need to find you a shorter set.
The C7 TPS auto detect I believe. No need to have the 'gun' to set up.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by racerns
I figured this would be the limit for a launch on drag radials but I really didn't think it would get a 1.51 out of it. I was thinking a low 1.6X or high 1.5X with that stall speed.
I'm sure some of the reason is the amount of torque this engine has. Because it is putting out about 600 lb ft. of torque at 3000 rpm it can pull through the initial bite with some authority. Not that torque accelerates the car, but it does allow it to make some decent horsepower down low to get it out of the hole. That same torque will make it a handful to launch well at tracks with less than stellar prep.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
The car would not stall higher then you see in video.... I wanna say 2500-2700ish
I figured that and that's why I mentioned a little too much tire for the converter and track conditions and that a narrower maybe slightly shorter tire would yield a better 60 and put the car in the 1.4x's. Or bump the tire pressure up 1/2 psi until it spins. My only concern is that after 30' out the boost kicks in and wants to break the tires loose. There's definitely a fine balance there. You did a nice job. You veered several feet to the left too on that launch not sure if you yanked the wheel or were aimed slightly left but it didn't look like you were spinning.
Nice going considering all that.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by robz
I figured that and that's why I mentioned a little too much tire for the converter and track conditions and that a narrower maybe slightly shorter tire would yield a better 60 and put the car in the 1.4x's. Or bump the tire pressure up 1/2 psi until it spins. My only concern is that after 30' out the boost kicks in and wants to break the tires loose. There's definitely a fine balance there. You did a nice job. You veered several feet to the left too on that launch not sure if you yanked the wheel or were aimed slightly left but it didn't look like you were spinning.
Nice going considering all that.
I went with the 335/30/18 which is a 26" tall tire, Stock is 26.4 I believe, Really cant go much shorter of a tire. One time i did try manual shifting to have the car not go into 5th, but I was about 20-30ft short when I left it in 4th, and for some reason that was the only pass that the car spun a little. Next time I go back (if its in the next few weeks) I am gonna try putting all the stock tires on. I do believe if the track is in the same condition as it was the stock tires should hold...
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 06:00 PM
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Which 335/30/18 and that's a awesome car you have there
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Daekwan06
I hate to be that guy. But one of my pet peeves is confusing "quick" with "fast". Fast is a measurement of speed, most commonly used to indicate top speed.. hence the first question commonly asked about sportscar: "How fast will it go?". We all know that due to less downforce, the ZR1 will always be faster than the Z06.. after all the ZR1 has the fastest top speed of any showroom stock Corvette.

Quick on the other hand is a measurement of acceleration. So when referring to times recorded in the 1/4 mile, the measurement is quick. And I completely agree with what you were saying though. I'd just state it differently. If he puts the stock wheels back on and then goes 10.5x or better. Then he will have the QUICKEST showroom stock Corvette of all time!

I stand by my comment.
fast-adj. (faster, fastest)
1. moving or able to move, operate, function, or take effect quickly; quick; swift; rapid.
2.done in comparatively little time; taking a comparatively short time.

When comparing two units of time, it is absolutely acceptable to refer to the faster time as being "fastest." The context of being the "fastest Corvette of all time" has nothing to do with trap speed, and in this case pertains only to comparative ET's.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 06:17 PM
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It would have been interesting to see same day with stock tires how much the skinnies and dr's are worth. Does anyone know what the other fastest times are with stock tires and dr's?

As for the few that mentioned the Viper, well as Nineball will assure you that pedaling a car is a much greater skill challenge and a helluva lot more fun. If you want to test your skill people run a road course and see what you can do.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
The car would not stall higher then you see in video.... I wanna say 2500-2700ish
Wow, the converter can really be stalled that high? I think one of the other automatic guys had also stated that they were able to get it over 2000+ which is awesome news. It might even reduce the need for some people to go with higher stall aftermarket converters (I know a lot of the CTS-V guys retain the stock stall) once they start modifying. And with a complex/seriously computer controlled transmission such as the 8L90, sticking with the factory converter can go a long way at getting it 'dialed in' and also reducing wear/breakage.
Ultimately a higher stall will still be needed though for those seeking low 1.4x/1.3x short times.




Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
Next time I go back (if its in the next few weeks) I am gonna try putting all the stock tires on. I do believe if the track is in the same condition as it was the stock tires should hold...
Definitely give it a shot, if the track prep is there and you heat 'em up just right, the stock rear tires might still hook. The downside of course is wearing out those $600.00 steamroller tires. But if the air/DA is there and you come out with much less fuel (and more 'break in' miles on the car) next time out, it will ET even better.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by c5wolf
Which 335/30/18
Probably Hoosiers as I believe only they make that size, plus you can also see the white sidewall lettering (that Hoosier drag radials have) in the video.




Originally Posted by bpsmokinhot
It would have been interesting to see same day with stock tires how much the skinnies and dr's are worth. Does anyone know what the other fastest times are with stock tires and dr's?
Well, in all fairness, he wasn't actually using 'true skinnies' on the front as far as I can tell, just notably smaller/lighter weight wheels/tires that helped for sure, but also didn't exactly reduce ETs or add trap speed by a super crazy amount either.
In fact, if he had run the stock/full size fronts in a slightly lower density altitude or even had a 1/4 tank of fuel instead a nearly full one, he likely still would have matched these results in my opinion.
The next closest stock car on drag radials with stock/full size fronts ran a 10.55@132+mph (on only one single pass attempted on drag radials) but that was in better air but also with a notably worse sixty foot (and likely less fuel on board as well).
Either way, these cars are haulin' the mail in ways some people probably never imagined possible.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
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Well, in all fairness, he wasn't actually using 'skinnies' on the front, just somewhat smaller/lighter weight wheels/tires that helped for sure, but didn't exactly reduce ETs or add trap speed by a crazy amount either.
In fact, if he had run the stock/full size fronts in a slightly lower density altitude or even had a 1/4 tank of fuel instead a nearly full one, he likely still would have matched these results in my opinion.
The next closest stock car on drag radials with stock/full size fronts ran a 10.55@132+mph but that was in better air but also with a notably worse sixty foot (and likely less fuel on board as well).
Either way, these cars are haulin' the mail in ways some people probably never imagined possible.

A lot of conjecture there...just saying.
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Old Apr 1, 2015 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by J.Abbott
We know they ran them on the dyno and they had to at least make the minimum power, but what happened when lets say the 405 made 425?
He said they vary 10% which is ±40 HP or 80 HP variance...+20 HP is no where close to ±40 so what happens is you're agreeing with me.

However, none of them made 425 HP...maybe 415 HP at the most.
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Originally Posted by NGS
A lot of conjecture there...just saying.
Yes, some conjecture and even some physics/science as well.
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Originally Posted by Redc7z06
True but I've seen other Z06 dynos that were 675hp bone stock. Sorry I don't buy that "every" LT4 will dyno "exactly" the same not possible.
You've seen other Z06s on a chassis dyno or other LT4s on an engine dyno (like HallTech was saying). Also, nobody ever said "every" LT4 will dyno "exactly" the same...where did you make up that BS from???

SAE J2723 requires all engines certified to that spec to be within ±2% of rated HP. That means the LT4 can be 637-663 HP.

PS That makes your 675 HP claim BS too...where do you come up with this stuff?
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Yes, some conjecture and even some physics/science as well.
Don't you know...DA doesn't matter.

As for the physics/science, yes...The Ideal Gas Law and Gibbs Free Energy come to mind.
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Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
BONE STOCK on a drag radial with 37 miles... I'm sorry as I'm doing a thousand things so sorry I was vage on the first pass... Car feels GREAT!
Front wheels and tire's stock too?
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