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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NGS
Don't you know...DA doesn't matter.

As for the physics/science, yes...The Ideal Gas Law and Gibbs Free Energy come to mind.
If you think DA doesn't matter why is every single hero run made at MIR? , those are great times(I could care less about the slicks and skinnys)
People don't realize how hard it is to get into the 10's
to the OP.

Turns out that the new Z is better on a 1/4 track than a course, but that is fine with me.
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Please point out which c6 "haters" have been saying anything negative about the run. The question of the front wheels was orginally asked by Snorman.
Racerns, you can't say nothin', you have been PROVEN WRONG. I know this is killing you cause I read all your posts about how this car will never get close to being as quick as a ZR1.......WRONG! I also could couldn't give a ratz azz about the front wheels and tires.
How come Racerns, you only talk about how this car will not go quicker or faster? You said it wouldn't sixty foot better than a certain number.... IT DID, you said it wouldn't MPH like the ZR1.....IT DID, you said the convertor won't allow it to launch well....IT DID, now all of a sudden when guys say it will get quicker once it gets broken in, you come and say, no it won't, it is proven that they don't get quicker. You cam on right away and said the DA was amazing for the run....sAll your posts are reason why this car won't be as quick or fast in the 1/4 mile as the ZR1. How come you didn't agree that it was slowed down by theZ07 package? How come your not talking about the full tank of gas slowing it down? Why? We all know why.......

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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by meadowz06
The ZR1 WAS a great car, just like my 1991 ZR1 WAS a great car. But times change, and cars get faster and better. And the new Z06 is both!
It ran 10.38 at 131 on skinnies .Fartpipe ran 10.26 at over 134mph no skinnies. Where is the z06 faster?Top speed also has the Zr1 as the winner.The c7 z06 has a nicer interior i ll give it that.Both great cars but the zr1 is still the performance king so far when it comes to fastest stock vette ever.
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 06:31 PM
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Don't forget guys.. Apples vs apples is/was C6Z vs C7Z.
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Originally Posted by camirocz
It ran 10.38 at 131 on skinnies .Fartpipe ran 10.26 at over 134mph no skinnies. Where is the z06 faster?Top speed also has the Zr1 as the winner.The c7 z06 has a nicer interior i ll give it that.Both great cars but the zr1 is still the performance king so far when it comes to fastest stock vette ever.
I'm not done yet... The Zr1 has been out for how long now? Oh yes thats right since 09... The Auto Zo6...WEEKS! I had both ZR1 and ZO6 and there is NO comparison...

Stock tire for stock tire the ZR1 vs The A8 ZO6, The ZR1 does not stand a chance I'm sorry. You can put your pom-poms away now
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
I'm not done yet... The Zr1 has been out for how long now? Oh yes thats right since 09... The Auto Zo6...WEEKS! I had both ZR1 and ZO6 and there is NO comparison...

Stock tire for stock tire the ZR1 vs The A8 ZO6, The ZR1 does not stand a chance I'm sorry. You can put your pom-poms away now
Get out there then. Let us know if you head to Atco and we'll round up a few cars and have some fun. May give me an excuse to dust off c5z before it becomes a permanent fixture.
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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by robz
Get out there then. Let us know if you head to Atco and we'll round up a few cars and have some fun. May give me an excuse to dust off c5z before it becomes a permanent fixture.
I've been calling atco for 2 days now trying to get on another rental with no return calls
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Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
I'm not done yet... The Zr1 has been out for how long now? Oh yes thats right since 09... The Auto Zo6...WEEKS! I had both ZR1 and ZO6 and there is NO comparison...

Stock tire for stock tire the ZR1 vs The A8 ZO6, The ZR1 does not stand a chance I'm sorry. You can put your pom-poms away now
You might not like me, but Hey, join the crowd. I'm biased toward these cars stuff! At least you don't say stupid crap to me! People bug me too!

"Getter done Joe" whatever your name is!

Don't need no Freaking "pom-poms" we are having A:

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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
I've been calling atco for 2 days now trying to get on another rental with no return calls
May have to get it done on a street night. There's plenty of prep on certain days and maybe we can coerce a few c6Z's to come out and play.

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Old Apr 2, 2015 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Racer
Racerns, you can't say nothin', you have been PROVEN WRONG. I know this is killing you cause I read all your posts about how this car will never get close to being as quick as a ZR1.......WRONG! I also could couldn't give a ratz azz about the front wheels and tires.
Really that is what I have been saying? That is not what I said in this thread months ago.
Originally Posted by racerns in Nov. '14
If you are getting an A8 I sure hope you can break the ZR1 record as I fully expect it to. It will be really interesting to see what that thing can 60' on a good track. If I was predicting the C7 was going do a 11.3 or 11.4 over a year ago (based on the GM published time) you really believe that I don't think the Z06 won't best a 10.66? I am not sure if the M7 will, especially if it has similar TM as the base.
Originally Posted by Racer
How come Racerns, you only talk about how this car will not go quicker or faster? You said it wouldn't sixty foot better than a certain number.... IT DID, you said it wouldn't MPH like the ZR1.....IT DID, you said the convertor won't allow it to launch well....IT DID,
Thanks for pointing that out, but I have already admitted that I was wrong about the ability of the stock stall to 60' more than once it this thread. I was not the only who thought that the stock stall might hold it back.

Originally Posted by Racer
now all of a sudden when guys say it will get quicker once it gets broken in, you come and say, no it won't, it is proven that they don't get quicker.
Again please show me where I said "it is proven it won't get quicker". I think in another thread I said there was no computer limit under 500 miles and it was just a light.
Originally Posted by Racer
You cam on right away and said the DA was amazing for the run....sAll your posts are reason why this car won't be as quick or fast in the 1/4 mile as the ZR1. How come you didn't agree that it was slowed down by theZ07 package? How come your not talking about the full tank of gas slowing it down?
So I came on right away huh? Lets see, on page 3 I told him very nice run and that I didn't think it would have 60' that well and then on page 6 (the next day) I brought up that the run was in -900 DA and 40F temps after a few people had commented that the air wasn't optimal. The full tank of gas and full aero are valid points that have been brought up but you need me to regurgitate them? When in this or any other 1/4 time thread have I said that I thought that this was the best time it was ever going to run?

As I have said before, I expect the A8 Z06 to beat the ZR1 stock tire 10.66 record. I was unsure about the drag radial time because I didn't know if it could launch like it needed to, but now I think it will be close.

By the way, I can say whatever the **** I want.

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Originally Posted by camirocz
It ran 10.38 at 131 on skinnies .Fartpipe ran 10.26 at over 134mph no skinnies. Where is the z06 faster?Top speed also has the Zr1 as the winner.The c7 z06 has a nicer interior i ll give it that.Both great cars but the zr1 is still the performance king so far when it comes to fastest stock vette ever.
That is all (currently) true, yes.
But taking non-stock tires (front and/or rear) out of the equation for a minute, the quickest bone stock C6 ZR1 has run a best of 10.66@132+mph and the quickest bone stock C7 Z06 has run a best of 10.76@130+mph, a full tenth behind. Both at MIR and both in great air.
I also believe that before the close of this year, a bone stock C7 Z06 automatic will surpass that 10.66, and possibly even by more than a full tenth. But that's just a baseless prediction of course.
That being said, the C6 ZR1 was, is and always will be an awesome sports/performance car.
The fact that a bone stock manual transmissioned Corvette on stock/OEM runflats ran that quick is still AMAZING to me.
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Originally Posted by robz
May have to get it done on a street night. There's plenty of prep on certain days and maybe we can coerce a few c6Z's to come out and play.
If anything is set up please let me know. I'm going to run the car in stock form right off the trailer (Yes Stock rims/tires)
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The ZR is a beast. And so is the new Z.

Great rigs, both of them.
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Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
If anything is set up please let me know. I'm going to run the car in stock form right off the trailer (Yes Stock rims/tires)
Maybe you could try running it with and without the wickerbill if possible to see what kind of difference you see.
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Originally Posted by J.Abbott
I read a summary of J2723 and it didn't say anything about +2%. I did not read the whole thing though as I am not interested enough to pay $72 for it. It said it was a procedure for OEM to certify the engines power. It was also voluntarily unless the OEM states it is SAE power, which GM does. The biggest thing is that didn't even happen until 2005, 10 years after the last ZR1 (LT5). I would not doubt there were some higher number ZR1's out there. I can tell you from a very respected source that there was a big tolerance on the LS7 deck heights they were seeing and if you had one engine at the low end of it and one at the high end you would see a bit of difference in power there. That would throw the whole J2723 out if it could only be +2%.
If you're just going to read the SAE J2723 summary and refuse to pay for the whole thing, why would you even attempt to make a statement about what it might/might not say? I have a complete copy and I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that ALL production engines have to be within ±2% of rated HP to qualify for the certified SAE HP designation. (Note the sign "±" in front of 2%...it means "plus OR minus" 2% not +2% like you have in your post. You can type it as +/- or hold the "Alt" key while typing "0177" on the number pad then release the "Alt" key to get ±.) BTW, the OEM can claim SAE HP all day long...that's the SAE J1349 procedure. It's only when they voluntarily claim "Certified SAE HP" that they have to use SAE J2723.

Granted the last ZR-1 built was 10 years before J2723 and the last LT5 built was 12 years before J2723, but the production tolerances at Mercruiser for the LT5 were tighter than any GM engine before or since. They were so tight, a nickel could be balanced on top of the plenum while the engine was running. If you had ever toured the Mercruiser plant when they were building the LT5, you would see how much better it was than the GM Performance Build Center is now. I've also had discussions about the LT5 with Graham-Behan who was one of the top engineers at Lotus when the LT5 was being developed (he's now the Chief Engineer at Lingenfelter). I have no doubt the LT5 HP range was easily within ±2% of 405 HP.

I can tell you from the MOST respected source who has had over 50 LS7s on an engine dyno that ALL engines were 505-508 HP. While it might be true about the deck height tolerance, it doesn't seem to affect the HP tolerance significantly. Personally, I don't believe your "respected" source.

PS We can have a little side wager about the ±2% in J2723 for $500 if you want...I can pay for a copy for you as proof and put $428 in my pocket.
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Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
I'm not done yet... The Zr1 has been out for how long now? Oh yes thats right since 09... The Auto Zo6...WEEKS! I had both ZR1 and ZO6 and there is NO comparison...

Stock tire for stock tire the ZR1 vs The A8 ZO6, The ZR1 does not stand a chance I'm sorry. You can put your pom-poms away now
Why are you comparing a MANual vs. an auto, you may as well compare lions and leopards. To say there is NO comparison is ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by bpsmokinhot
Why are you comparing a MANual vs. an auto, you may as well compare lions and leopards. To say there is NO comparison is ludicrous.
ohh I see what ya did there ''MANual" funny guy.... Please take any m7 zo6 and line it up to a a8 zo6 from a DIG and then we will see who the man is...
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I've been calling atco for 2 days now trying to get on another rental with no return calls
let me know i like to get in with my old c5 AUTO vert
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Originally Posted by BigNastyZO7
If anything is set up please let me know. I'm going to run the car in stock form right off the trailer (Yes Stock rims/tires)
What would a zr1 run if it was a auto? They should compare manual vs manual
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Originally Posted by glass slipper
If you're just going to read the SAE J2723 summary and refuse to pay for the whole thing, why would you even attempt to make a statement about what it might/might not say? I have a complete copy and I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that ALL production engines have to be within ±2% of rated HP to qualify for the certified SAE HP designation. (Note the sign "±" in front of 2%...it means "plus OR minus" 2% not +2% like you have in your post. You can type it as +/- or hold the "Alt" key while typing "0177" on the number pad then release the "Alt" key to get ±.) BTW, the OEM can claim SAE HP all day long...that's the SAE J1349 procedure. It's only when they voluntarily claim "Certified SAE HP" that they have to use SAE J2723.

Granted the last ZR-1 built was 10 years before J2723 and the last LT5 built was 12 years before J2723, but the production tolerances at Mercruiser for the LT5 were tighter than any GM engine before or since. They were so tight, a nickel could be balanced on top of the plenum while the engine was running. If you had ever toured the Mercruiser plant when they were building the LT5, you would see how much better it was than the GM Performance Build Center is now. I've also had discussions about the LT5 with Graham-Behan who was one of the top engineers at Lotus when the LT5 was being developed (he's now the Chief Engineer at Lingenfelter). I have no doubt the LT5 HP range was easily within ±2% of 405 HP.

I can tell you from the MOST respected source who has had over 50 LS7s on an engine dyno that ALL engines were 505-508 HP. While it might be true about the deck height tolerance, it doesn't seem to affect the HP tolerance significantly. Personally, I don't believe your "respected" source.

PS We can have a little side wager about the ±2% in J2723 for $500 if you want...I can pay for a copy for you as proof and put $428 in my pocket.
Remind me not to argue with you!
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