C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Power Steering Stiff

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 5, 2025 | 12:09 PM
  #21  
mtcarl's Avatar
mtcarl
Thread Starter
Instructor
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 117
Likes: 14
From: Greenwell Springs, LA
Default

Thanks for the document barkingrats. I've saved it to my files for possible reference if greasing all joints doesn't solve the problems. I've seen Jim Shea documents before and they're always comprehensive.
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2025 | 12:29 PM
  #22  
MelWff's Avatar
MelWff
Race Director
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 18,756
Likes: 2,589
Default

Originally Posted by barkingrats
The combination of stiff and not returning to center does not sound like a suspension or alignment issue to me. I am looking into my own steering issues and reading up on all sorts of papers. In my Jim Shea folder, I found the following about adjusting the steering box gears (attached pdf):
You shouldn't have to adjust anything in your rebuilt box, reread post 5.
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2025 | 12:46 PM
  #23  
7T1vette's Avatar
7T1vette
Team Owner
15 Year Member
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Top Answer: 5
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 37,637
Likes: 3,118
From: Crossville TN
Default

Lots of opinions, here. Let's let the OP grease the joints and report results. Maybe we can get a clearer picture of the real issues.
Reply
Old Jul 5, 2025 | 08:40 PM
  #24  
barkingrats's Avatar
barkingrats
1967 Pedal Car Champion
Supporting Gold
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 9,150
Likes: 4,260
From: US-PNW
Default

Originally Posted by MelWff
You shouldn't have to adjust anything in your rebuilt box, reread post 5.
I don't disagree that you shouldn't have to but that's no guarantee you won't have to.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2025 | 12:16 PM
  #25  
mtcarl's Avatar
mtcarl
Thread Starter
Instructor
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 117
Likes: 14
From: Greenwell Springs, LA
Default

Update:
Greased all joints. Adjusted hydraulic cylinder to center ram with engine running.

When driving - steering seems slightly better. Little more force required turning right, especially at low rpm. Seems to self-center. Very little drift from straight ahead. Remember, no alignment yet.

When parked with engine running MUCH force is needed to turn right. Left turn might be "normal," but not as easy as a newer non-Vette.

Car on jack stands - Removed tie rod ends from spindles and both wheels turn easily with hands on tires. Steering wheel turns easily in both directions.
Engine not running.
This seems to give a thumbs up to gear box and relay rod???

Tie rods reattached, hydraulic ram disconnected. A LOT of effort required to move the wheels by hand. Engine started, "a fair amount" of effort to turn the steering wheel to force ram movement. (Sorry, can't quantify "a fair amount.") Seems to be more effort than when everything is attached for normal driving.

As previously stated, the fluid level is within range...no foaming or bubbles. Belt tight. Both the pump and control valve are "remanufactured."

What now?
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2025 | 12:48 PM
  #26  
barkingrats's Avatar
barkingrats
1967 Pedal Car Champion
Supporting Gold
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 9,150
Likes: 4,260
From: US-PNW
Default

Any time you are applying hand or steering wheel pressure to a connected P/S system, you are having to force fluid in the system. This is very tough to do and I'm not surprised the effort is greatly increased over disconnected tie-rods.

When you adjusted the valve, you had the ram disconnected at the frame and adjusted the valve so the rod did not move in or out, yes?

If so, I'm thinking your control valve is not switching directions properly/effectively. It should switch the high pressure through the appropriate ram hose depending on direction input changes from the steering box. I don't think it's a pump problem, otherwise you'd see the trouble in both directions.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2025 | 01:03 PM
  #27  
Bikespace's Avatar
Bikespace
Race Director
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 11,960
Likes: 4,518
From: Virginia
Default

Sounds like your car started a manual steering conversion on its own. My 80 did this within a few months of buying her. No new leaks, no explanation, the power steering just became manual steering*. I completed the conversion with the proper parts from an earlier car.

For $115-, swap out the power steering control valve for a Borgeson 990002 manual drag link adapter. Using your PSC valve in manual mode will destroy it.

Then you'll be halfway to a Borgeson conversion when the rest of the kit comes off of backorder.

* The original version of this joke was about the C3 Corvette's power steering. Mitch Hedburg changed it to appeal to a broader audience.

Reply
Old Jul 12, 2025 | 04:42 PM
  #28  
GTR1999's Avatar
GTR1999
Tech Contributor
25 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 15,188
Likes: 4,010
From: Connecticut, USA
Default

This is a "restored" 67 steering box, off a "restored" 67. The only thing is, their version of restored was to paint it and put a yellow dab on it. No preload left, no high lash, never rebuilt, no grease left.
Now, it is blueprinted, beyond rebuilt, and is dialed in.
The only way you will know the condition of the box is to check- out of the car and do not go by YT videos, they're all wrong- at least those I have seen.
I am not speaking of the paint, that means nothing. Internal mods and custom parts make the difference. The yellow line is where the box has to be.



Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

5 Best & 5 Most Overrated Corvette Track Packages of All Time!

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Every 2027 Corvette Engine Explained

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

Designer Imagines A Corvette That Looks More Like a Corvette Than the Corvette

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-5

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-7

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Jul 12, 2025 | 05:25 PM
  #29  
mtcarl's Avatar
mtcarl
Thread Starter
Instructor
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 117
Likes: 14
From: Greenwell Springs, LA
Default

Yes barkingrats, adjusted the valve until no ram movement. Sounding like a faulty control valve???
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2025 | 05:55 PM
  #30  
MelWff's Avatar
MelWff
Race Director
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 18,756
Likes: 2,589
Default

Originally Posted by mtcarl
Yes barkingrats, adjusted the valve until no ram movement. Sounding like a faulty control valve???
Or a poorly rebuilt box
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2025 | 08:32 PM
  #31  
mtcarl's Avatar
mtcarl
Thread Starter
Instructor
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 117
Likes: 14
From: Greenwell Springs, LA
Default

With the ram nut adjusted so there is no ram movement, how much force should be required to move the ram in and out by hand - engine off? A video I watched showed the tech moving the ram back and forth with two fingers. Not so with mine, much force is required.

Videos I saw demonstrated very little rotation of the adjustment nut to get the ram to change direction. Mine required at least one full rotation.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2025 | 09:53 PM
  #32  
barkingrats's Avatar
barkingrats
1967 Pedal Car Champion
Supporting Gold
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 9,150
Likes: 4,260
From: US-PNW
Default

Originally Posted by mtcarl
With the ram nut adjusted so there is no ram movement, how much force should be required to move the ram in and out by hand - engine off? A video I watched showed the tech moving the ram back and forth with two fingers. Not so with mine, much force is required.

Videos I saw demonstrated very little rotation of the adjustment nut to get the ram to change direction. Mine required at least one full rotation.
In my opinion, if the system still has all 4 hoses connected to the valve and pump, you're going to have a very difficult time pushing/pulling the ram. You're fighting against hydraulic valves and seals, similar to trying to push a shock absorber rod back into the cylinder.

I don't recall the amount of nut movement to change directions on the ram, when I did it several years back, but I think it was just about 1/8 to 1/4 turn to switch directions when you get to that balance point.
Reply
Old Jul 12, 2025 | 11:49 PM
  #33  
MelWff's Avatar
MelWff
Race Director
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 18,756
Likes: 2,589
Default

Originally Posted by mtcarl
With the ram nut adjusted so there is no ram movement, how much force should be required to move the ram in and out by hand - engine off? A video I watched showed the tech moving the ram back and forth with two fingers. Not so with mine, much force is required.

Videos I saw demonstrated very little rotation of the adjustment nut to get the ram to change direction. Mine required at least one full rotation.
PS pump generates over 1,000 psi, don't think the system was designed to move with your fingers.
Reply
Old Jul 18, 2025 | 09:25 AM
  #34  
ctmccloskey's Avatar
ctmccloskey
Safety Car
Supporting Lifetime
25 Year Member
Active Streak: 30 Days
Active Streak: 60 Days
Liked
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 4,759
Likes: 1,647
From: Fairfax Virginia
Default

This sounds like a question for the guys at TURN ONE Performance Steering. They might have the answer for you or they can point you in the right direction. They even helped me with my Steeroids Power rack and pinion getting the right output pressure from a power steering pump.

I got so tired of the old steering system and it's quirks that I removed it from service and installed a new power rack and pinion on my C3 and I love it. The Steeroids system makes the C3 drive like a modern Corvette with little effort required to turn and it tracks dead-on straight while cruising on the highways. The whole installation was done on my garage floor by a guy with five crushed discs in his lower back....

Today I can steer my C3 with one finger and still enjoy doing it. For some reason the manual steering of a VW Bug was easy to get used to, a manual steering Corvette is another whole different matter. Manual steering has it's places and most of it is in a lightweight car with a tiny 4 cylinder aluminum engine on top of it. I drove my cousin's 1969 SB Corvette with manual steering and it was more than I would deal with on a normal basis, it would be a nightmare with a BB in front.
Reply
Old Jul 19, 2025 | 02:41 PM
  #35  
mtcarl's Avatar
mtcarl
Thread Starter
Instructor
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 117
Likes: 14
From: Greenwell Springs, LA
Default

Problem solved - maybe. The stiffness seems to be eliminated. After some pointers from a couple of forum members on another post it became clear that I wasn't following control valve balancing instructions to the T. I wasn't changing the rotation of the adjustment nut as soon as the ram changed direction. Following instructions precisely sometimes helps. I say "maybe" solved because my testing is limited to the shop - rain chances too high to risk a road trip.

Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge.
Reply
Old Jul 22, 2025 | 06:47 PM
  #36  
Bikespace's Avatar
Bikespace
Race Director
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 11,960
Likes: 4,518
From: Virginia
Default

Any post-rain road trip updates to report?
Reply
Old Jul 22, 2025 | 08:39 PM
  #37  
mtcarl's Avatar
mtcarl
Thread Starter
Instructor
Conversation Starter
All Eyes On Me
 
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 117
Likes: 14
From: Greenwell Springs, LA
Default

Thanks Bikespace for reminding me to provide an update. The car steers much better after properly balancing the power steering valve. Equal force required for right and left turns. Because it’s been so long since I last drove i don’t know if it’s as good as it can be, BUT I’ll take it…for now. Other challenges to address, but at least I can drive it. I guess an old Vette is never really “done.”
Reply




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:51 AM.

story-0
5 Best & 5 Most Overrated Corvette Track Packages of All Time!

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 most overrated Corvette track packages ever.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 12:46:45


VIEW MORE
story-1
Every 2027 Corvette Engine Explained

Slideshow: Every 2027 Corvette engine explained

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-09 12:16:31


VIEW MORE
story-2
Designer Imagines A Corvette That Looks More Like a Corvette Than the Corvette

Slideshow: A Jaguar designer's personal project imagines what a modern front-engined Corvette might look like if Chevrolet revisited the golden age of the Stingray.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-06-08 19:53:43


VIEW MORE
story-3
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-5
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-6
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-8
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-9
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE