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Old 04-23-2018, 02:19 PM
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Went to change oil in my new to me 81. Much to my surprise i found this rubber oil pan plug installed. Could not believe what I was looking at. Anyone ever seen this and have any idea how to remove it? I dont want to break it and have some of inside the pan. Bubba at work again...
I plan to replace the pan if i cant repair and install over size plug. It currently does not leak but i will mot drive it with that rubber plug.
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That's one of those repair plugs that works kind of like a bilge plug in boat. There is supposed to be a wingnut, washer and threaded shaft in it that pulls the back of the plug in tight. I've only seen a couple on really old stuff and they looked like that... the bolt broken/rusted off.

There's no way of removing it except prying it out, IIRC the inside is bulb shaped and larger than the hole so they really had to be forced in and then when tightened it puffed up even larger to help seal.

50/50 it'll tear and leave chunks inside but it's not likely to fall out either, been in there for awhile already
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Thanks Mooser, I already have ordered a new pan and gasket. Cant take a chance i will leave debris in pan. Be a good time to change the oil pump too.
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Put a blade in there that spans 2 of the slots - I believe it might unscrew!
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Put a blade in there that spans 2 of the slots - I believe it might unscrew!
I will give it a try, I got so upset yesterday I just walked away to cool off.
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FWIW, the god news is that because the engine sits so far back, in a Corvette chassis, the oil pan R&R isn't that big of a deal. You will have to disconnect the center link of the steering gear, so it drops down a couple of inches, giving you room to slide the pan out. However, you won't have to lift the engine.

If you're looking for stuff to do, "while you're in there", I'd change the rear mail seal....
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FWIW, the god news is that because the engine sits so far back, in a Corvette chassis, the oil pan R&R isn't that big of a deal. You will have to disconnect the center link of the steering gear, so it drops down a couple of inches, giving you room to slide the pan out. However, you won't have to lift the engine.

If you're looking for stuff to do, "while you're in there", I'd change the rear mail seal....
Another good preventative measure to include this weekend, thanks
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Would be less inclined to change the oil pump and more interested to see how the rod bearings look, especially for the two front cylinders as they are the furthest away from the oil pump.
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Would be less inclined to change the oil pump and more interested to see how the rod bearings look, especially for the two front cylinders as they are the furthest away from the oil pump.
I tend to agree. Your oil pump (obviously) works so why change it? You have to change the pickup screen and get it the correct distance off the bottom of the pan.
Same with the rear main- if it's not leaking now. (it probably will at some point, but it's just a pan gasket and a seal later)
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Originally Posted by nivensid
Another good preventative measure to include this weekend, thanks
Something I just thought of, should you decide to change the oil pump....replace the OE oil pump driveshaft, the one with the fragile plastic collar, with one with a metal collar. Both Melling and Moroso make them.
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Now's a good as time as any to start a frame off
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Originally Posted by TimAT
.....Same with the rear main- if it's not leaking now. (it probably will at some point, but it's just a pan gasket and a seal later)
But why do the job twice?? As you noted, the seal will most likely begin to leak at some time, so if you already have the pan off, it shouldn't take more that a half hour, to replace the rear main (assuming you have a good torque wrench, to reinstall the rear main cap).

With respect to the oil pump, OK, maybe it doesn't need to be replaced, but if I was already in there, I'd inspect the plastic locating collar on the pump's driveshaft. They're known to get brittle over time, and sometimes break. A shaft with a metal collar will eliminate that possibility, and again, is a relatively quick task.
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Originally Posted by nivensid
Went to change oil in my new to me 81. Much to my surprise i found this rubber oil pan plug installed. Could not believe what I was looking at. Anyone ever seen this and have any idea how to remove it? I dont want to break it and have some of inside the pan. Bubba at work again...
I plan to replace the pan if i cant repair and install over size plug. It currently does not leak but i will mot drive it with that rubber plug.
That's an old style oil pan plug repair. There was a "screw driver style tool to remove it. since you just bought the car check the car for something that looks like a screwdriver. You push it in and turn and it will come out. I saw many of them back in the day...



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Originally Posted by Douglas Mariani
That's an old style oil pan plug repair. There was a "screw driver style tool to remove it. since you just bought the car check the car for something that looks like a screwdriver. You push it in and turn and it will come out. I saw many of them back in the day...


Thanks will give it a try this weekend.
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I yahoo'd the patent number - https://patents.google.com/patent/US3307731A/en

Harry invented it in 1967 -
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Originally Posted by myoriginal77
I yahoo'd the patent number - https://patents.google.com/patent/US3307731A/en

Harry invented it in 1967 -
If Harry was still here I would have to thank him
the info was appreciated, thanks
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Finally had a chance to investigate today. Pulled out rubber plug with my hand with very little effort. Standard 1/2 x 20 was too small. I stepped up to the 1st oversize and cut new thteads, problem solved. Thanks everyone.
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Originally Posted by nivensid
Finally had a chance to investigate today. Pulled out rubber plug with my hand with very little effort. Standard 1/2 x 20 was too small. I stepped up to the 1st oversize and cut new thteads, problem solved. Thanks everyone.
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