NA FURY

Hi All,

I've been lurking for some time, as I am getting my ducks in a row to purchase a 2017+ Z06 M7. I am currently in the process of privately selling my 2010 Camaro SS, but I am anxious to join the Corvette community. I have a couple of questions that I was hoping you could entertain to help me in my pursuit:

1. I had been planning to purchase lightly used for budgetary reasons, but I've come across a new 2018 Z06 1LZ M7 that appears to be a solid deal and I'm fighting the urge to make a move on it. I had not planning on purchasing until Q1 2019 when I think the announcement of the mid-engine car is going to knock C7 prices down further. I've gotten the dealer down to $71k (MSRP is $82k) because he's sitting on a lot of inventory. Being that this is below dealer cost and the car is optioned pretty much exactly as I would build a new one, it is attractive, but it is at the top end of my budget. Should I stick with my original plan or jump on this opportunity?
2. Do any of you have recommendations for a transporter that would deliver in PA, should I need one?
3. Do any of you have recommendations for a detailer / installer for Xpel or Suntek in eastern PA?

Any other words of wisdom you might have for me would be greatly appreciated.....

Vetteman Jack

mschuyler

Frankly, i do not believe $71K on an $82K MSRP is a very good price. I think you can do better.

dvilin

Not too bad a discount for a new Z, Intercity is a very good transporter. If the price fits somewhat comfortably in your budget I would buy it. Yes there are many other deals out there that will follow in this thread. Myself if I find what I want and the deal is fair I get it versus doing a bunch of searching for that best deal. Good luck.

Baltimoron

Kevin A Jones

I'd seriously consider it. Regardless of Model Year, MSRP or Discount, there's not a lot of (if any) NEW Z06s on dealer lots for under $71K, Kerbeck or MacMulkin the two largest don't have any.
Also, consider doing yourself a favor and rid yourself of all the potential C7 delivery drama, and just hire Intercity. May be slightly higher than some haulers, but worth every penny of what they charge.

Dave@Ciocca

Welcome to the forum (as a non-lurker)!

Check out this:
https://kerbeck.com/corvettes/2019-c...lz-new-g19582/

$72,600 for a 2019 as opposed to $71,000 on a 2018. Not only is it a year newer, but it's painted in the new paint shop. Plus, since you can drive to Atlantic City from Eastern PA, you save the cost of shipping. Also, our rate of 2.14% for 72 months (if you qualify) would probably make the payment on this less than the 2018 and maybe even some used 2017s since the rate goes up on used. I have that same car is Arctic White, Torch Red and Black all at the same price.

Reach out and let me know if you have any questions. I'll be back in the office on Monday!

Dave

MHE-Plex

welcome! MacMulkin and Intercity freight for me. I had never heard of either of them until I started lurking here. Perfect experience with them.

AORoads

I think you really have the answers in just the posts above mine. Take your pick especially if, as you say, you've been lurking here for quite awhile. And if you have, you can judge the competency of all above and their veracity.

One thing you know but didn't mention: of course the price MAY go down by Jan/Feb, 2019--some/all of the cars, like '18s are 6 mos.older. So is the '19. And yes, it is possible the ME announcement will come then, but you don't know that for a fact---is that going to be your pacing item? What if no announcement until Summer?

The big things are money: what you have now, how much of a "stretch" it will really be to buy right now, how fast can you unload your Cam, are you upside down, etc. Get your numbers right and everything else will fall into place---either you buy, or you wait. With the other things up in the air, or "Gee, I don't know." you're just spinning in circles too much. jmo.

NA FURY

Gents,

Thanks for the quick replies. A couple of things...

Granted, I have not spent more than a couple of weeks considering new since I was shooting for lightly used, but I don't think I've seen any new Z06's dip below $71k. I believe dealer cost on a 2018 1LZ is $72,640. What's a good deal to aim for? The other thing I need to consider is that I am dead set on getting Watkins Glen Gray, which I understand to be discontinued as of this year - this is going to limit my options.

This is pretty much where I'm at. I haven't seen much at Kerbeck or MacMulkin myself..

You're right, there's no knowing how a mid-engine announcement would affect price, if it comes. I'm just taking a guess at this point that it will happen. It's not going to make or break my decision, but it would just be more convenient for me to make a move then instead of now. Thankfully I've owned my SS outright from day 1, so a large part of it is just selling it to make room in the garage. As I mentioned above, I'm set on Watkins Glen Gray, so I think this is going to be my biggest limiting factor.

Skid Row Joe

Before you buy a 1LZ trim level, research all the goodies you're not getting versus the 2LZ or 3LZ, trim levels. The 1LZ is for the seriously budget minded buyer, stretching to get in a ZO6. There's so darn many good things on the preferred 2 and 3 trim levels, that you will wish you had bought in the first place. Don't spend over $75K with tax on a car that's basically stripped as contrasted with the good stuff! I use each and every 3LT trim level item every day/night I drive my C7.

rrsperry

Well not really. There is nothing any more functional in a 3lz than a 2 lz. They have the same equipment other than the amount and kind of leather.

I do agree that 2lz could in fact pay for itself, just because of the front cameras. Just avoiding replacing the front splitter and bumper cover by one misjudged parking attempt would do it. Yes you can back in, but then you have to pull out from between two SUVs and the millennial texting takes off your front end. (the rear camera works really well. Not to mention the vented seats. (which work really well as opposed to the heat feature that doesn't...)

Then there is the difference in insurance in a Z vs non z... And tires. So if you have to really stretch to get in a Z, you probably can't afford it.

Baltimoron

NA FURY

I have noted all of the differences in the trim levels and the 1LZ suits me fine. It's not an issue of stretching the budget; it's just that the 2LZ doesn't offer anything that I would value at the increased cost, but I wouldn't be against it if I was presented with a good deal. Do the ventilated seats work well? I've heard a lot of people say they were underwhelmed by them..

JerryU

[QUOTE=CalculatingInfinity;1597596371]. I had not planning on purchasing until Q1 2019 when I think the announcement of the mid-engine car is going to knock C7 prices down further.

Hmm, can't imagine buying from anyone but Kerbeck if I lived in PA! Heck for my C6 I drove it back from Atlantic City! My Grand Sport was bought from them and I had Courtesy Delivery to a dealer 30 miles from my home! Great folks no haggling stupidity, just go to their website (they sponsor this General Section-click logo top right.) Last I looked they had >300 cars in stock or on order. They are the largest Vette dealer for a reason and were selling 1200/year! They only have Vettes in Atlantic City.

That said, they are smart folks and will reduce inventory when the C8 will be coming BUT who knows when that will occur (in fact you can be sure they will know before most of us!) At that time they will have even deeper discounts than they do now to get ride of inventory! Since you're waiting until first quarter of 2019 just keep on looking at their inventory and prices- what you see is what you'll pay!

You think you've looked at 1 vs 2/3LT but unless you have driven a Vette you don't know what your missing and can't tell from a list of specs! There was a recent post by a fellow who had a 1LT and was having issues with entry and exit. That is a major benefit of "memory seats." No one else drives my car BUT when I open my door, after shutting the car off, my seat moves all the way back AND most important the front and back move fully up as does the steering wheel. Makes entry and exit easy. When I stop to get mail from the box it front of my house I sometimes leave the engine running and my seat in the drivers position. What a PIA to exit and get back in! In addition I need adjustable lumbar support to have a perfect fit.

Also did not have a front camera in my 2014 C7, s that was not available and now in the Grand Sport! Hit a few curb stops and you'll wish you did. Can't come close to seeing the front of the car! I my 2014 I was doing like some post and backing into parking slots at the mall etc. PIA!

Some of the other benefits are individual BUT here are mine:

1. I would not drive a car today without HUD since with all the distracted drivers you need to keep your eyes on the road! Need to maintain my ~60 year record of not having an accident with another vehicle! (Looking for wood as that includes luck!)
2. Had a 3LT C6 (that I bought from Kerback and drove back to SC) that did not have the rear subwoofer. It needed one IMO and with Bose a PIA, complicated and expensive to add! I've added them to other cars including my 260Z , S10 truck with a separate amp but doing that in a Vette is not simple and is very expensive to do it right! With a 2/3LT you get that. IMO it's needed to drown out the road and tire noise! Especially with a Z06 or my Grand Sport with it's wide tires! I have my sound system playing >1000 songs in shuffle mode when I start the car and it's never off! Janis Joplin' signing "Cry Baby" etc does a good job of drowning out the noise and that rear sub is a big help! (Yep I'm and old dude, 75 and that is the stuff I listen too! Although Joss Stone has a similar sound on some songs and have hers as well as other current albums on my thumb drive!
3. Auto-dimming mirrors don't sound like a need on paper until you drive that very low car and headlights are glaring!
4. May not need heated seats but depends on how cold it will be when you drive. I drive at 35/40F and find they useful in the winter and the cooling even better in our hot summers.

Your Money Your Car Your Choice BUT IMO you need to do some more looking and you have the time!

R50THC5

A friend acquired a new 2017 Z06 2lz msrp 102k for 69K..walk away and keep searching. Better deals to be had..

Kevin A Jones

You are approaching C7 ownership in the correct way by doing your research, understanding pricing and determining what's right for you. This should ultimately end up in long term satisfaction.
Don't make the mistake of allowing others push what they value on you.
And yes, seems many are underwhelmed with the ventilated seats. In the recent 'features you could do without' thread they were among the top listed.

JerryU

For fun, just looked at Kerbeck inventory and they three different color 1LZ Z06 manual trans 2019's for $72,666. It will no doubt get better when the C8 gets closer and in the winter of 2019!

If the OP really wants a standard shift he may have a hard time finding one as inventory gets slimmer! ~75% of the Vettes purchased are with automatics! I'm already getting ready for the first none third pedal DD I will have when I get a C8! It's been announced that Tremic will build a dual clutch computer controlled transaxle with no 3rd pedal! At least it won't be a slush box!

Null Pointer

That is very hard to believe. That works out to a 32% discount. The dealer really took a beating on that one.

Corvette ED

The mid-engine isn't going to knock C7 prices down further. If your waiting for that to happen you will be waiting a very long time