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Randomly, my climate controls, reverse lights, and O2 sensors stop working. But then they start working again! Sometimes for a week, sometimes for a day... sometimes they come back on while driving but never shut off until I turn the car off. I have cleaned all the grounds and had it on the lift; everything looks good—no bad plugs or wires. Fuses and relays are good. I don't know, does anyone have a good guess or a crystal ball?

I have pulled all connectors, fuses, relays, and grounds. I haven't checked voltage yet, and I know I must. I just wanted to see if there is any known issue causing this.

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Randomly, my climate controls, reverse lights, and O2 sensors stop working. But then they start working again! Sometimes for a week, sometimes for a day... sometimes they come back on while driving but never shut off until I turn the car off. I have cleaned all the grounds and had it on the lift; everything looks good—no bad plugs or wires. Fuses and relays are good. I don't know, does anyone have a good guess or a crystal ball?
You don't need a crystal ball to learn how to properly diagnose your problem. What you told us is not troubleshooting. Shining a flashlight on wires and components is not going to fix your problem. Sound like you have limited troubleshooting skills. Take it to a electrical shop. Not ripping on you. These cars take people with some high degree of electrical knowledge.

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Randomly, my climate controls, reverse lights, and O2 sensors stop working. But then they start working again! Sometimes for a week, sometimes for a day... sometimes they come back on while driving but never shut off until I turn the car off. I have cleaned all the grounds and had it on the lift; everything looks good—no bad plugs or wires. Fuses and relays are good. I don't know, does anyone have a good guess or a crystal ball?
That is consitent with a bad ignition switch, but the voltage checks will tell the story.
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By voltage drop testing between B+ and the circuits having issues this can be quickly diagnosed...I don't know why everyone goes for the "grounds first.
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I'm not expecting that to fix the issues. I am trying to troubleshoot. I will admit my automotive knowledge is lacking. I understand the basics of a 12v system on my 76 luv and 82 amc its easy , but sadly I am an Industrial Tech. AC is my bread and butter and newer cars have me lacking but I am here to learn, so the shop is a last stop. Now, if you were like, "Oh, yeah, try this," that would be helpful because anyone can go to a shop, haha. I don't have a big-*** garage and two posts to just park my other cars between for fun.

Checking for voltage is the next step, but it seems to work every time I have time to put it on the lift.
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You don't need a crystal ball to learn how to properly diagnose your problem. What you told us is not troubleshooting. Shining a flashlight on wires and components is not going to fix your problem. Sound like you have limited troubleshooting skills. Take it to a electrical shop. Not ripping on you. These cars take people with some high degree of electrical knowledge.
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By voltage drop testing between B+ and the circuits having issues this can be quickly diagnosed...I don't know why everyone goes for the "grounds first.
Hmm ok I have been having an issues with the fact everytime i have time to work on it.... it works haha
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Hmm ok I have been having an issues with the fact everytime i have time to work on it.... it works haha

Well intermittents are the hardest to diagnose...the electrical systems on a 70 or 80's car is the same as on your C5 and this Forum isn't the place to "learn"...we can give you direction and maybe even guess for you correctly but that's about it...how do you know your O2 sensors stopped working ???

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......but sadly I am an Industrial Tech. AC is my bread and butter
The troubleshooting is the same. You identify the impacted systems, looking for common denominators....in this case for your problem, they all are fed from the line side of one contact in the ignition switch. Like troubleshooting AC, you will need to understand schematics........no different on a car. DMM and test light.....no biggie.

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and newer cars have me lacking but I am here to learn, so the shop is a last stop.
Just bear in mind this a forum that deals with specifics related to C5 issues......not a "how to work on cars" forum.

Also fill out your profile with what year C5 you have...they are all not the same.

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Well intermittents are the hardest to diagnose...the electrical systems on a 70 or 80's car is the same as on your C5 and this Forum isn't the place to "learn"...we can give you direction and maybe even guess for you correctly but that's about it...how do you know your O2 sensors stopped working ???
It will throw a check engine light, and when I have the scanner for the live data, I have no activity. But only when I have to no AC and reverse lights.
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It will throw a check engine light, and when I have the scanner for the live data, I have no activity. But only when I have to no AC and reverse lights.

Normally with an ignition switch issue you will see a common feed for all circuits and in your case I don't think your HVAC, BU lights, and O2 sensors share this common feed...if you want to check the HVAC place one lead of your DMM on battery positive and the other lead on fuse 27 at the IP fuse block...now read the voltage drop when it is acting up...if your DMM reads 3 volts you have a 9 volt drop across the ignition switch...now do the same with fuse 21 at the IP fuse block...for your O2 sensor it produces its own voltage when hot and the car is running so what DTC do you have ??...don't think it's related to the other two...with the sensor cold and fuse 15 removed you should see a 450mv "bias voltage" sent out by the PCM with the ignition ON.
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Normally with an ignition switch issue you will see a common feed for all circuits and in your case I don't think your HVAC, BU lights, and O2 sensors share this common feed...if you want to check the HVAC place one lead of your DMM on battery positive and the other lead on fuse 27 at the IP fuse block...now read the voltage drop when it is acting up...if your DMM reads 3 volts you have a 9 volt drop across the ignition switch...now do the same with fuse 21 at the IP fuse block...for your O2 sensor it produces its own voltage when hot and the car is running so what DTC do you have ??...don't think it's related to the other two...with the sensor cold and fuse 15 removed you should see a 450mv "bias voltage" sent out by the PCM with the ignition ON.





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AWESOME !!...thanks for your research !!...let's see if the OP has any O2 heater circuit DTC's.

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