Palm Beach Area .. WARNING!!
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Burning Brakes
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From: Palm Beach Gardens Fl
Palm Beach Area .. WARNING!!
FHP is now using a good looking RED MUSTANG as an unmarked patrol car. Saw it this morning with stopped car. Can't see lights until they are flashing. (THEN you do!!) Was on I-95 between Okeechobee Rd and PGA Blvd.
I can just see them trying to "tease" a vette.
So, if you are in our area and inclined to take on a Red Mustang, better think twice.
Big Jimm
So. Fla.
I can just see them trying to "tease" a vette.
So, if you are in our area and inclined to take on a Red Mustang, better think twice.
Big Jimm
So. Fla.
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Originally Posted by Miaugi
Very cunning........can you say entrapment? 
Two days ago in Orlando some kid in a Mustang tried to race a FHP
unmarked Mustang, they nailed him on I4 at 113 MPH, Go to jail. go directly to jail
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From: Palm City Florida
Thanks for the warning. In Martin County there are signs warning drivers of a big crack down on all traffic violations. No warnings will be issued for anyone pulled over. Speed traps everywhere.
Originally Posted by Big Jimm
FHP is now using a good looking RED MUSTANG as an unmarked patrol car. Saw it this morning with stopped car. Can't see lights until they are flashing. (THEN you do!!) Was on I-95 between Okeechobee Rd and PGA Blvd.
I can just see them trying to "tease" a vette.
So, if you are in our area and inclined to take on a Red Mustang, better think twice.
Big Jimm
So. Fla.
I can just see them trying to "tease" a vette.
So, if you are in our area and inclined to take on a Red Mustang, better think twice.
Big Jimm
So. Fla.
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From: San Jose CA
Not easily entrapment.
Whenever people hear stories like this, there is always someone that throws the word entrapment in. The case is not so cut-and-dry.
Legal definition of entrapment: http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm
I quote:
Please note several important sections from the page:
If say a cop in an unmarked car ran up on you and started revving. You then take off, he then tickets you. You'd have to go through the 3 check points to prove without a shadow of a doubt that it was indeed not your fault, and the cop entraped you.
- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
Given you drive a 400hp 2 seater sports coupe, touted as the USA's premier sports car, you'd be hard pressed to prove to someone that you never race, or speed over the limit, and never have any inclination of doing so. No one buys a sports car without having the IDEA of going fast. However, the cop needs to prove without a shadow of a doubt that you had the idea to start with, so this point may indeed be your best chance to win.
- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
A cop rolling up on you and revving is not persuasion or coersion. Please note the passage:
He came up on you, revved. At best this can be interpreted as he openly offered you a chance to race illegally. This is within the LEOs right, with respect to entrapment. No words are exchanged, no coersion took place. The definition of persuasion means he offers, you say no, but he keeps on and you relent. If he rolled up on you multiple times and revved, light after light, then it could be considered persuasion. I say it "could" be considered persuasion since no verbal exchange took place still, and you're still interpreting his actions. Even if it was deemed that he was indeed taunting you, all it can be considered is that he is affronting your manhood (or woman-hood, as the case may be), and challenging your sense of honor. Neither of which are acceptable reasons to engage in an illegal act.
- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
You are ready to race, since you're sitting in one of the fastest production cars available to the US public. You have the tools, and you are capable of such an act. Whether you are willing or not really depends on if you win point two. If it was decided by the jury that you were persuaded (i.e. cop had to make multiple taunts), then obviously you were not willing before the cop convinced you.
Conclusion:
If a cop rolls up on you, revs, and you participate in a race, I believe more often then not you will not get the entrapment verdict.
Legal definition of entrapment: http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm
I quote:
ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.
In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:
- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
On the issue of entrapment the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped by government agents.
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
On the other hand, if the evidence leaves a reasonable doubt whether the person had any intent to commit the crime except for inducement or persuasion on the part of some Government officer or agent, then the person is not guilty.
In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:
- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
On the issue of entrapment the government must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not entrapped by government agents.
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity.
In slightly different words: Even though someone may have [sold drugs], as charged by the government, if it was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agents entrapped him if three things occurred:
- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
- First, the idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
Given you drive a 400hp 2 seater sports coupe, touted as the USA's premier sports car, you'd be hard pressed to prove to someone that you never race, or speed over the limit, and never have any inclination of doing so. No one buys a sports car without having the IDEA of going fast. However, the cop needs to prove without a shadow of a doubt that you had the idea to start with, so this point may indeed be your best chance to win.
- Second, the government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime.
A cop rolling up on you and revving is not persuasion or coersion. Please note the passage:
For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person.
- And third, the person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him.
You are ready to race, since you're sitting in one of the fastest production cars available to the US public. You have the tools, and you are capable of such an act. Whether you are willing or not really depends on if you win point two. If it was decided by the jury that you were persuaded (i.e. cop had to make multiple taunts), then obviously you were not willing before the cop convinced you.
Conclusion:
If a cop rolls up on you, revs, and you participate in a race, I believe more often then not you will not get the entrapment verdict.
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Originally Posted by ROMA 75
OMG!!!! 
Thank you guys for the info!!
....
Bob are you saying that we have yellow and gray undercovered mustangs around here trying to race people..??
Thank you guys for the info!!
....
Bob are you saying that we have yellow and gray undercovered mustangs around here trying to race people..??
Manuel I need your phone number
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St. Jude Donor '07-'12, '20
Originally Posted by tobijohn
How exactly did you know it was a cop?
Everytime he gunned it I could see the back window with my headlights.
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Originally Posted by ROMA 75
OMG!!!!
Thank you guys for the info!!
....
Bob are you saying that we have yellow and gray undercovered mustangs around here trying to race people..??
Thank you guys for the info!!
....
Bob are you saying that we have yellow and gray undercovered mustangs around here trying to race people..??
Guess we have to roll the window down, find out if they're a LEO and act accordingly-like call FHP and tell them there's a Mustang License ### driving in an erratic fashion and you're concerned for the populace's safety.
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Originally Posted by Braced
There was a post on here last week from someone who ran up on a Stang that tried to get him to race. Turned out the stang was a cop. Is that legal? 
Policewoman pose as hookers all the time! I watch COPS
Last edited by steve miller; Jul 30, 2005 at 06:33 PM.
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The red one is actually a Steeda Mustang. I came up to it one day on I-95. As I pulled next to him, I saw the patch on his shoulder, which gave hiom away. He kinda smiled at me as we cruised on down the road. Now, the guys that know me well in the area know I would NEVER concider racing another car anyway. I believe in driving our Corvettes easy and keeping them clean. Can't wait to see everyone at the Aug. cruise to Quarterdeck!!! 
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I miss the 2 ZR-1's the FHP had back in the early 90's. One marked, one un-marked. Would scare the pee out of you! I had the unmarked one come up next to me, while chasing a 3 Series BMW on the turnpike. He paused a second, looked at me (I was in the right hand lane, out of his way) and he just took off like I was standing still!! Like I said....almost scared the pee out of me.
Thanks for the heads-up!
Thanks for the heads-up!
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Originally Posted by Motorsportsline
Did they trade in the Mercury Marauders for Mustangs now??
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Originally Posted by SkunkApe
Nothing new...they've had the Mustangs and the Marauders for over a year. They move 'em around from region to region (Miami/Broward/Palm Beach). It's always nice to see some rice-loser pulled over with a plain-Jane Marauder behind him, lights flashing.
They are sneaky