ZR1 Less than 900 RWHP on Dyno, but we found out why
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dude calm down im simply asking and all youre saying is it cannot be this even though every test ive done shows that is, in fact, this, with no other explanation. i was simply trying to share my experience of troubleshooting by pouring the exact same gas into my GLC63, not sure why you went into attack mode, but whatever. thanks for your "help" i guess. I am interested in finding the solution, but all you say is "bad gas" and then proceed to talk ****. Not sure how that helps at all. The bad gas works in every other car. I was trying to see if anyone else has tried this with their ZR1 to see if there is a problem with using 100 octane somehow since it didn't affect my z06 or Mercedes. I'm so sorry for inconveniencing you, please forgive me.
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VP-MS100 testing
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Farmer claims he used 98 octane fuel which is a departure from his "typical" hero runs where he uses oxygenated VP-MS100! Not sure why he didn't go oxygenated....I had to prove to his crew that it was worth 50 RWHP!!!
VP-MS100 testing
VP-MS100 testing
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I missed it was higher than normal premium, but wonder if the computer limits torque as he only went a tenth faster than Brooks with a better 60’, DA and CF wheels as well as him being a jockey. I know it can compensate for weather, so wonder if better fuel doesn’t allow it to make any more power and if it’s limiting it by spark that is worse for higher octane.
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No doubt only going to get amplified in a boosted application.
We used to run cans of "race gas" additive in our C7Zs before a rally to make sure we weren't underperfoming when facing off against lambos and Ferraris
it worked. Proven on the dyno. Before and after. They knock and pull timing on pump gas. These boosted hi performance cars are tuned to the edges of pump gas and are VERY conservative near that limit. They pull out quick. The high octane keeps it happy.
We used to run cans of "race gas" additive in our C7Zs before a rally to make sure we weren't underperfoming when facing off against lambos and Ferraris
it worked. Proven on the dyno. Before and after. They knock and pull timing on pump gas. These boosted hi performance cars are tuned to the edges of pump gas and are VERY conservative near that limit. They pull out quick. The high octane keeps it happy.
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That might be all your read, but that's definitely not all I said. I have been the most invested and helpful poster in regards to your problem, and it wasn't until my last post that I said anything remotely considered "**** talking"
Working theories include (as previously stated)
-Bad gas (lol) to include too high of water content
-Bad gas (lol) to include too high E content
^ both the above will cause a lean condition, ESPECIALLY if injector margin is too low
-Not enough injector or tune margin in the ZR1 to accommodate less than perfect fuel conditions
-Compression ratio too high to accommodate for lean conditions
-Chamber design not tolerant of knock
You other vehicles may have been fine on the fuel for a plethora of reasons. Different quality of fuel at time of purchase, both cars have enough injector to manage higher E content, the Z06 for sure isn't boosted- so it's not dealing with that, chamber designs could be different, tunes are certainly different, load on engines are different... its a long list
100 octane by itself won't cause issues. Airplanes with 8:1 compressions run on 100 octane. The issue lies in how they achieved that 100 octane for your locality, or whether or not the fuel was contaminated with (most likely) water and how the ZR1 handles sub-par fuel conditions
Ways we can actually test this: data log injector duty cycle and compare to a/f ratio, test fuel for water and ethanol content
Either way, if the car knocked that hard- it wouldn't be a bad idea to pull plugs and check the gap. When engines detonate hard enough, they can collapse the strap of the spark plug. Probably been too long now, but another test you could have done would have been to pull a plug and look for speckling on it- another indicator of detonation
[/"**** talking"]
Working theories include (as previously stated)
-Bad gas (lol) to include too high of water content
-Bad gas (lol) to include too high E content
^ both the above will cause a lean condition, ESPECIALLY if injector margin is too low
-Not enough injector or tune margin in the ZR1 to accommodate less than perfect fuel conditions
-Compression ratio too high to accommodate for lean conditions
-Chamber design not tolerant of knock
You other vehicles may have been fine on the fuel for a plethora of reasons. Different quality of fuel at time of purchase, both cars have enough injector to manage higher E content, the Z06 for sure isn't boosted- so it's not dealing with that, chamber designs could be different, tunes are certainly different, load on engines are different... its a long list
100 octane by itself won't cause issues. Airplanes with 8:1 compressions run on 100 octane. The issue lies in how they achieved that 100 octane for your locality, or whether or not the fuel was contaminated with (most likely) water and how the ZR1 handles sub-par fuel conditions
Ways we can actually test this: data log injector duty cycle and compare to a/f ratio, test fuel for water and ethanol content
Either way, if the car knocked that hard- it wouldn't be a bad idea to pull plugs and check the gap. When engines detonate hard enough, they can collapse the strap of the spark plug. Probably been too long now, but another test you could have done would have been to pull a plug and look for speckling on it- another indicator of detonation
[/"**** talking"]
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