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Old Jun 12, 2007 | 12:43 AM
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So after looking around for solutions to use an iPod with I've come across some mentions of people connecting them to the JL CleanSweep's Aux input.

My wife has a CleanSweep in her xB and it really improved the sound quality of the factory headunit. I guess I never bothered to notice it has the Aux input left/right on it until now.

Anyways, I'm wondering how this might work in a C6 w/NAV. Does anyone have this type of setup?

I've looked at all the other iPod connection possibilities, and it seems some are hit and miss. JL makes some nice stuff, and I already have a JL Stealthbox with a JL 250/1 amp so the idea of adding the CleanSweep to not only improve the sound quality of the headunit as well as give me an AUX input for the iPod is enticing.

So can anyone help me out here? If I were to connect the iPod directly to the CleanSweep's AUX inputs, would this charge it and so forth? I realize I would have to control the iPod manually, but that's not really a problem for me. Another question would be exactly how would you select the CleanSweep's AUX input for playback on the Bose/NAV display? And if you are using NAV guidance...does it still lower the music volume while the directions are being told? or is all that overridden by the iPod audio?

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Old Jun 12, 2007 | 01:23 AM
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the ipod would override all over audio

i would get the peripheral ipod adapter and set it in the mode where you control the sound from the ipod

also cleensweep isnt necessary to add a sub to c6
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Old Jun 12, 2007 | 01:40 AM
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the ipod would override all over audio

i would get the peripheral ipod adapter and set it in the mode where you control the sound from the ipod

also cleensweep isnt necessary to add a sub to c6
Well I wouldn't be getting the CleanSweep just to add a sub...I already had the sub in the car before. But I've heard how the CleanSweep improved the stock headunit of my wife's car and wouldn't mind improving the overall sound quality of the headunit while adding the AUX input for the iPod.

The PA11-VET seems like a good alternative...any issues with battery drainage? I assume it works with NAV...

Also, do the NAV guidance directions still come thru with the PA11 complete with the volume adjustment and all? Oh! I've read in the FAQ that this thing takes over your XM1 channels and you are only left with the XM2 channels...so do you just lose everything on XM1? Or is it like the others where it takes some messing with whether you are using the iPod or not? Meaning, if you don't have the iPod connected, it will play the XM1 channels, but if you do have the iPod connected it plays the iPod? That's how it is on the setup I have now (which won't work with NAV) but sometimes you have to cycle thru the inputs a few times before it kicks in...

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Old Jun 12, 2007 | 02:04 AM
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ok well in the vette cleansweep isnt gonna do anything for you becuase coming from the headunit is a flat output

nav still comes through with ipod playing
xm1 is gone i believe regardless of if IPOD is connected or not but im not 100% positive

ive only used the pa11, never the nucleus. i think for controling from the radio the nucleus might be a bit better but my understanding is there is no control from ipod option which IMO is the only way to go
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Old Jun 12, 2007 | 02:04 AM
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This is what I previously ran in my black C6 w/o NAV. It functioned in the XM position, but it didn't eliminate it if the iPod wasn't connected, so I could still use XM when I wasn't using the iPod. I wouldn't really like a solution that involved eliminating the XM1 since I do sometimes listen to XM...

On the iCarKits website it says the PA11-Vet "Retains XM Radio" so maybe it doesn't kill it...

Anyways here are the two things I had before, the first the AUX input adapter and the second the connection for the iPod that allowed it to be charged...

http://www.logjamelectronics.com/soundauxgm.html
http://www.logjamelectronics.com/blitzuii.html

I'm very confused now because looking at the info on Logjam's webpage it's showing this:

* Works with or without radios that have the factory navigation option

* MUST have a 'Band' button on the factory radio in order for the AUXGMV3 to work.

*2005 Corvette (must be equipped with either/or/both XM and 6-disc in-dash CD changer options and w/o navigation)


So does that mean it DOES or DOESN'T work with the NAV?

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Old Jun 12, 2007 | 07:15 AM
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Sure reads like that will NOT work. However according to Crutchfield, the USA SPEC GM iPod interface DOES work with our cars. I haven't used it, but I've seen several mentions of it around here.

I'll chime in on the Cleansweep and definitely agree with Greg.. it is way overkill on the Vette for just an aux input. It will absolutely override ALL of the audio - chimes, NAV, Onstar, etc.

The more I use my new Alpine W205 in my truck the more the factory NAV system in the C6 makes me crazy. Once the Blackbird 200 is released and I see if I like it's NAV... the drawbacks of the factory system are going to lose to the features and sound quality of the aftermarket and to he** with HUD integration.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 02:39 AM
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When people speak of "Cleansweep" they are usually talking about the CL441dsp. The Cleansweep line consists of that model as well as the CL-SSI, CL-SES CL-LSA and the CL-RLC. All of these products are tools for OEM integration, it's a matter of choosing the right tool to get the job done.

You want to add an aux input to your car and you want to keep the audio for the NAV while listening to the AUX source. This will require some extra work, but it can be done. If you want the omlette, you have to be willng to break a few eggs.

Prerequisite #1: you have to be willing to give up fader (front to rear) control. If not, you can stop here. How often do you use the fader? If not often or never, don't worry about it.

Prerequisite #2: add aftermarket amps and speakers. This job is much easier if you do. You can probably pull this off with the Bose system amplifier, but it's beyond the scope of this post.

Still with me? The CL441dsp unit does have an aux input with a volume control for the aux source. As everyone already seems to know, the lack of equalization from the deck makes the 120 bands of EQ the unit offers moot. Essentially, you would be paying $300 for an aux input which is not cost-effective.

What you'll want to use is this:
CL-SES Retail $120
This device allows you to add three sources to one aux input. The great thing about this item is all the switching is handled by automatic signal sensing. You just plug the sources in priority order as screened onto the face of the unit. You will be using all three inputs for this project. Your sources will be:
Bose deck - Aux Input C (3rd priority)
iPod - Aux Input B (2nd priority)
Factory NAV - Aux Input A (1rst priority)

You take the REAR signal wires from the deck and plug them into the CL-SES. These will make the job very easy: Speaker to RCA cables Retail $13

Take the FRONT LEFT signal from the deck and connect it the the CL-SES with the same RCA ends above. This is the channel that should carry the NAV signal (it does talk through the driver side speaker correct?).

For the iPod, you have two choices. There is a cheaper, less SQ way to do it, or the better SQ, more expense way to route signal to the CL-SES. You could simply get an mini to RCA cable and plug it into the headphone out of the iPod. This would allow you to use the iPod's volume control. The SQ is not as good and you need to have the iPod handy for volume control. The better way to do it would be to use the fixed-output on the 30 pin connector. The SQ is much better but now you'll need a volume control.
If you chose the 2nd method, plug your iPod cable signal end into this: CL-RLC Retail $60.
This will give you a **** to control the iPod's volume. You can take the other end and plug it into the CL-SES input or you can plug it into the output of the CL-SES and use it to control the volume of all three sources.

Once all these connections are made, you have one more thing to do: access the fader control on the deck and fade all the way to the rear. The rear becomes the stereo input for your kick-*** JL Audio system. The NAV signal is not affected by fader position. This means that even though the fader is pointed to the rear, the NAV will still talk through the front speaker. With the new modification, the signal will now be routed to Input A of the SES (when it has something to say).

The Play by Play.
You're driving down the road listening to your favorite radio station, you decide that you want to listen to your iPod so you turn it on. The CL-SES senses the signal on a higher-priority input so it instantly switches and now you're listening to your iPod. Press pause on your iPod and you are back to listening to you radio.
Due to the fact the NAV is on the highest-priority, the CL-SES will switch to it over the iPod or the radio if it has instructions for you. When it's done talking it will switch back to the next highest priority input that has signal (iPod or Radio).
The CL-SES uses all CMOS switching which means it will be quiet and there will be no cross-talk.

For $206 you will have a pretty cool set-up and there will be no battery drain, excellent SQ and seemless switching. You can also tell people that you have two CleanSweeps in your car!
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 02:59 AM
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I'd like to point out three more things:

If you could save $26 by soldering RCA ends onto the signal wires instead of the special cables I showed you. You could also save $60 if you did not use the CL-RLC for volume control. This would bring the price to $120.

We are discussing iPod here, but this could be any source like SAT radio or hands free phone kit.

This is the cable I use: here I hard-wired the power connecton so it looks cleaner.
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