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Old Oct 12, 2010 | 11:03 PM
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Had something really weird happen that I never expected. I'm running a 1000 watt bridged mono amp into a 10" sub. I noticed that the 30 amp fuses on the amp had blown today, so I replaced them. The amp powered up, but as soon as I turned up the volume a bit, the fuses blew again. Perplexed, I took the sub out of the enclosure and discovered some melted plastic a few inches down the run of the wire (I was using clear insulated zip cord, where apparently, the positive and negative wires had arced, causing the short. I never knew such a thing was possible! I cut the cord past the offending short, put on some new spade connectors and separated the wires so there would be no more of that nonsense. Has this happened to anyone else on here?
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Its just a freak thing, don't worry about it. I've had way worse happen (sub catching on fire) but I was running 10kw to a single sub :P
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Old Oct 13, 2010 | 09:17 PM
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You may want to ohm the sub to make sure the coil isn't shorted. I've seen plenty of melted wires at work, most were due to a short downstream. However, if you have the wires near their current limit, then any defect in them could have caused the same thing.
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Old Oct 13, 2010 | 10:52 PM
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i have melted terminal cups on high powered sub setups before
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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 01:01 AM
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You may want to ohm the sub to make sure the coil isn't shorted. I've seen plenty of melted wires at work, most were due to a short downstream. However, if you have the wires near their current limit, then any defect in them could have caused the same thing.
The sub has two voice coil inputs, so I swapped the wires to the other one for good measure. So far, so good.
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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 01:38 PM
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Actually, you still have a problem, as sound's like you have a dual voice coil subwoofer and only utilizing half it's potential output and power rating. A dual voice coil arrangement is usually meant to accept a stereo amp output, and sum it at that point. You could parallel the two coils together, but would be a 2 ohm load to your already bridged amp, making it see more like a 1 ohm load internally. Also curious about your speaker cable, as I recall running some remote speaker cable for my dad's home system, and a speaker later quit. Traced it out to a factory speaker wire splice molded right into the PVC jacket. Even had a piece of solid wire buried in it. Imagine that.
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Old Oct 14, 2010 | 01:47 PM
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Actually, you still have a problem, as sound's like you have a dual voice coil subwoofer and only utilizing half it's potential output and power rating. A dual voice coil arrangement is usually meant to accept a stereo amp output, and sum it at that point. You could parallel the two coils together, but would be a 2 ohm load to your already bridged amp, making it see more like a 1 ohm load internally. Also curious about your speaker cable, as I recall running some remote speaker cable for my dad's home system, and a speaker later quit. Traced it out to a factory speaker wire splice molded right into the PVC jacket. Even had a piece of solid wire buried in it. Imagine that.
Interesting. Thanks for that info. Maybe I should start looking for a different sub with single voice coil setup. But for now, it seems to be sounding just fine, so I'll probably leave well enough alone. I think I threw out the section of damaged wire already, but what I noticed was the insulation separating the two wires had melted at the source of the arcing. I really didn't inspect it super carefully from that point to notice whether there was a factory splice (never knew there was such a thing!) or anything like that.
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Old Oct 15, 2010 | 03:28 PM
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You're not the only one who's never heard of a factory buried cable splice, as freaked me out when I discovered it. This was year's ago in my dad's house, and remember pulling the wiring myself. It was a spool from one of the major electronc's retailer's, but if it happened once, who know's.
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Well, whatever the case, I've separated the wires out now, so I doubt it will happen again. In the meantime, I'm getting such massive, clean bass now that it feels like it's creating micro climates inside my car!
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