Virtus 603s VERSUS individual components
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Crossovers are your filter for input signal. They're mechanical. They don't adjust anything. They merely filter the output signal to the driver ONLY. If the resistance load is the same on the drivers being run with the crossovers in question, you could run a thousand different drivers and it would take a robot to hear the difference.
It's the same as ONLY doing a driver swap on an active setup without changing any filter settings in the DSP. Very seriously doubt the average guy could hear a difference in the driver as long as it's not playing outside of it's parameters.
It's the same as ONLY doing a driver swap on an active setup without changing any filter settings in the DSP. Very seriously doubt the average guy could hear a difference in the driver as long as it's not playing outside of it's parameters.
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Possibly. But do you think your ears could break out the difference between speaker X, Y, Z, A, B, C all running through the same filter? That like saying you'd be able to taste the difference in the same coffee grounds brewed through a Krups, Mr. Coffee, Keurig, and Black and Decker coffee maker.
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I don't know that I would agree with that. You're ig oring the freque Cy response of the speakers completely. Let alone their mecha iCal properties that would change how thy react to different install conditions.
If your speakers lack midbass, and you swap the woofer for one that is better at that but use the same crossovers, you will notice a difference. If you change to a tweeter with better off axis response with the same crossover, you'll notice a difference.
That said, if you're looking for a totally different sound as opposed to a targeted change in an aspect, I agree, different crossovers will matter.
If your speakers lack midbass, and you swap the woofer for one that is better at that but use the same crossovers, you will notice a difference. If you change to a tweeter with better off axis response with the same crossover, you'll notice a difference.
That said, if you're looking for a totally different sound as opposed to a targeted change in an aspect, I agree, different crossovers will matter.
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You guys have dealt with way more systems than I have, but I can tell you I am very happy with my Morel Virtus 603 setup. Even without the DSP it needs to cut the highs down a bit more, it still sounds warmer and more full than any other stereo I have done in a car. Very loud with an Alpine PDX F6 150x4 amp.
This winter I will get a DSP in there and really get it tuned perfectly.
This winter I will get a DSP in there and really get it tuned perfectly.
Le Mans Master
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I don't know that I would agree with that. You're ig oring the freque Cy response of the speakers completely. Let alone their mecha iCal properties that would change how thy react to different install conditions.
If your speakers lack midbass, and you swap the woofer for one that is better at that but use the same crossovers, you will notice a difference. If you change to a tweeter with better off axis response with the same crossover, you'll notice a difference.
That said, if you're looking for a totally different sound as opposed to a targeted change in an aspect, I agree, different crossovers will matter.
If your speakers lack midbass, and you swap the woofer for one that is better at that but use the same crossovers, you will notice a difference. If you change to a tweeter with better off axis response with the same crossover, you'll notice a difference.
That said, if you're looking for a totally different sound as opposed to a targeted change in an aspect, I agree, different crossovers will matter.
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I get what you're saying, and perhaps I could've explained it better. If you run similar speakers with similar T/S parameters (like swapping 6.5 inch woofers for any other 6.5 inch woofer, with the same resistance and (similar but not identical) T/S numbers)...even a trained ear ball would be hard pressed to hear or notice a significant difference.
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You guys have dealt with way more systems than I have, but I can tell you I am very happy with my Morel Virtus 603 setup. Even without the DSP it needs to cut the highs down a bit more, it still sounds warmer and more full than any other stereo I have done in a car. Very loud with an Alpine PDX F6 150x4 amp.
This winter I will get a DSP in there and really get it tuned perfectly.
This winter I will get a DSP in there and really get it tuned perfectly.
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That said, I have zero complaints about the Alpine. It is *awesome*.
I am actually looking at changing to an Audiocontrol 1200.6 this winter, which will be the first time I've really swapped out a component of a system I built. The reason is that I need a DSP to bring the tweeters down more and generally make the sound even better and space is so limited I don't want to go with a separate box.
That's my thinking now, at least.
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