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Was planning on putting in Morel Virtus 603s and balancing that with 2 JL Audio subs. BUT, would I be better off to buy individual speaker components and use my DynAudio 342 crossovers? If so, what speakers do you recommend? (I love clean but powerful base - the kind that feels like a punch to the chest...)
Last edited by webdzynes; Sep 11, 2020 at 09:27 PM.
Esotec MD 102 tweeter
Esotec MD 142 is (3-inch) diameter soft dome midrange
Esotec MW 182 (10 inch) diameter mid/woofer
Along with a good quality amp. Make sure your front amp is at least 100W per Channel.
Couple of 12" in a ported box will get you the bass you want.
Esotec MD 102 tweeter
Esotec MD 142 is (3-inch) diameter soft dome midrange
Esotec MW 182 (10 inch) diameter mid/woofer
Along with a good quality amp. Make sure your front amp is at least 100W per Channel.
Couple of 12" in a ported box will get you the bass you want.
Thank you!!
But I had the Dynaudio 3 way setup and found it quite flat. Thats why I'm looking for something else. BUT I did like their crossovers.... (I already have the pair of subs in a singular sealed box. They are 8" Jl Audios, EACH powered by a 500/1. The fronts are powered by a JL 300/2)
Last edited by webdzynes; Sep 11, 2020 at 10:35 PM.
But I had the Dynaudio 3 way setup and found it quite flat. Thats why I'm looking for something else. BUT I did like their crossovers.... (I already have the pair of subs in a singular sealed box. They are 8" Jl Audios, EACH powered by a 500/1. The fronts are powered by a JL 300/2)
This is for your door - Esotec MW 182 (10 inch) diameter mid/woofer
You'll need to apply Dynamat or your favorite door treatment along with replacing the window hw access panel.
This is for your door - Esotec MW 182 (10 inch) diameter mid/woofer
You'll need to apply Dynamat or your favorite door treatment along with replacing the window hw access panel.
Thank you. I do appreciate it.
If not the Esotec, what would be your second choice for woofer, mid and tweet? (And yes, Dynomat is critical and already applied) - But to be fair, my Esotec system 362 is about 15 years old...
My budget 3way--
JBL softdome tweeters
3" Infinity perfect 300 Midrange
10" MBQuart Discus used as a woofer/midbass
I had that in my C6 doors/dash and will one day install them in my C7. I've tried to upgrade it many times, but have not run across a setup that sounds any better. I've listened to focal, dynaudio, hertz, morel 6/5" systems and no sound board or demo car has made me want to throw mine out and spend tons of money to upgrade.
I have not found a store that carries the esotec or morel 10" mid/woofer.
My budget 3way--
JBL softdome tweeters
3" Infinity perfect 300 Midrange
10" MBQuart Discus used as a woofer/midbass
I had that in my C6 doors/dash and will one day install them in my C7. I've tried to upgrade it many times, but have not run across a setup that sounds any better. I've listened to focal, dynaudio, hertz, morel 6/5" systems and no sound board or demo car has made me want to throw mine out and spend tons of money to upgrade.
I have not found a store that carries the esotec or morel 10" mid/woofer.
This sounds like a great system above. A few quick questions -
#1 - would you use the same components if it wasn't a budget limitation? (I would be willing to spend up to 1k).
#2 - what did you use for crossovers? Do you think this setup you named above but with Dynaudio x-360 crossovers (backed up with a pair of 8" jlaudio subs) would do the trick? Fidelity combined with powerful punching bass is what I'm looking for...
#3 - It appears these mids are coaxial including an 'optional' tweeter configuration. Did you use that or just the midrange configuration (if I read that configuration option correctly)? Do these fit in the upper C6 door opening? They seem to be to deep..
#4 - What model MB Quart Discus did you use (if you recall)?
Last edited by webdzynes; Sep 12, 2020 at 08:02 PM.
This sounds like a great system above. A few quick questions -
#1 - would you use the same components if it wasn't a budget limitation? (I would be willing to spend up to 1k).
#2 - what did you use for crossovers? Do you think this setup you named above but with Dynaudio x-360 crossovers (backed up with a pair of 8" jlaudio subs) would do the trick? Fidelity combined with powerful punching bass is what I'm looking for...
#3 - It appears these mids are coaxial including an 'optional' tweeter configuration. Did you use that or just the midrange configuration (if I read that configuration option correctly)? Do these fit in the upper C6 door opening? They seem to be to deep..
#4 - What model MB Quart Discus did you use (if you recall)?
1. I would probably try this combo
Esotec MD 102 tweeter Esotec MD 142 is (3-inch) diameter soft dome midrange Esotec MW 182 (10 inch) diameter mid/woofer by amped - 200W to each 10 and 100 W to each mid/tweeter combo using the crossover you have
2. I used the JL Audio 3 way passive crossovers, by-amped like stated above, except for 100W to each woofer
3. I used the JBL tweeter, instead of the Infinity tweeter. The mid was in the door factory location and the tweeter in the dash factory location (12 - 13 MY have this location)
4. MB Quart DS1-254 Discus Series (Dual 4ohm Voice coil, ran in parallel for 2 ohm load)
But I had the Dynaudio 3 way setup and found it quite flat. Thats why I'm looking for something else. BUT I did like their crossovers.... (I already have the pair of subs in a singular sealed box. They are 8" Jl Audios, EACH powered by a 500/1. The fronts are powered by a JL 300/2)
I'd use this setup too, or maybe some Stevens audio stuff. Dynaudio get a lot of praise for how natural they are. But that's not apparently the sound you want. So a dsp will help that so you can dial the sound in.
I'd use this setup too, or maybe some Stevens audio stuff. Dynaudio get a lot of praise for how natural they are. But that's not apparently the sound you want. So a dsp will help that so you can dial the sound in.
Thank you both! I will pick up the MB Quarts, use the DynAudio 360 mids that I have and try the JBL tweets. I'll use the Dynaudio crossovers also.
Are these the correct tweeters: GTO19T Premium .75" component tweeter ($59 on Amazon) Now I'm no techie so, when the woofer speaker wires are coming from the crossover to the woofer, how do I specifically wire the woofers to be as you suggest (set up in parallel for the 2 ohm load)?
Last edited by webdzynes; Sep 13, 2020 at 12:49 AM.
Thank you both! I will pick up the MB Quarts, use the DynAudio 360 mids that I have and try the JBL tweets. I'll use the Dynaudio crossovers also.
Are these the correct tweeters: GTO19T Premium .75" component tweeter ($59 on Amazon) Now I'm no techie so, when the woofer speaker wires are coming from the crossover to the woofer, how do I specifically wire the woofers to be as you suggest (set up in parallel for the 2 ohm load)?
The t weeters that I had were from an older version of this setup:
what amp are you going to use?
Also "powerful punching bass is what I'm looking for..." probably only doable with the 8" in a ported or even a 4th order box...
I’m pleased with my Morels but don’t have experience with many other components that are not archaic. For that serious bass you’re looking for, I used 2 12TW3 JL subs in a downfiring box tuned to 26-27 hz. Situated at the front of the trunk area the higher bass was deafening but the targa top would fit without problem. Situated at the rear of the trunk area it’s very smooth. Plenty loud, plenty of bass.
what amp are you going to use?
Also "powerful punching bass is what I'm looking for..." probably only doable with the 8" in a ported or even a 4th order box...
Thank you!! I have 2 500/1 JL Audios - 1 for each sub but may just use 1 and wire subs in parallel. Any thoughts on Audiofrog? I haven't heard any of their products but they are highly rated...
For the MB Quart Discus, did they fit without having to cut the door frame at all? What (if anything) did you use to mount them or just seal and screw them into the opening?
Last edited by webdzynes; Sep 13, 2020 at 10:35 AM.
Audio frog is the guy who designed all the good jbl and Harman kardon stuff back in the day. Very good stuff, but focuses more on warmth and natural sound. Very similar to dynaudio in that manner, so if you didn't like the dynaudio setup, I suspect you won't love audio frog either.
Audio frog is the guy who designed all the good jbl and Harman kardon stuff back in the day. Very good stuff, but focuses more on warmth and natural sound. Very similar to dynaudio in that manner, so if you didn't like the dynaudio setup, I suspect you won't love audio frog either.
Wow - Thank you! You just saved me a lot of time and money!!
I’m pleased with my Morels but don’t have experience with many other components that are not archaic. For that serious bass you’re looking for, I used 2 12TW3 JL subs in a downfiring box tuned to 26-27 hz. Situated at the front of the trunk area the higher bass was deafening but the targa top would fit without problem. Situated at the rear of the trunk area it’s very smooth. Plenty loud, plenty of bass.
WOW! What did you do to handle the voltage draw? Did you upgrade the alternator or anything else?
BTW, using the same crossovers you used (that sounded flat) before on a different set of speakers will not change the sound. The crossover is what make the speakers sound the way they do. A crossover is a mechanical filter for input signal. The crossover needs to be changed if you don't like the sound. Just sayin'.
Esotec MD 102 tweeter Esotec MD 142 is (3-inch) diameter soft dome midrange Esotec MW 182 (10 inch) diameter mid/woofer by amped - 200W to each 10 and 100 W to each mid/tweeter combo using the crossover you have
2. I used the JL Audio 3 way passive crossovers, by-amped like stated above, except for 100W to each woofer
3. I used the JBL tweeter, instead of the Infinity tweeter. The mid was in the door factory location and the tweeter in the dash factory location (12 - 13 MY have this location)
4. MB Quart DS1-254 Discus Series (Dual 4ohm Voice coil, ran in parallel for 2 ohm load)
I just bought the Discus subs... Did you seal them in or just dynamat the doors? If sealed, how? tough to do in a C6, no?
BTW, using the same crossovers you used (that sounded flat) before on a different set of speakers will not change the sound. The crossover is what make the speakers sound the way they do. A crossover is a mechanical filter for input signal. The crossover needs to be changed if you don't like the sound. Just sayin'.
How so? It adjusts the signal frequency to each speaker but its the speaker which produces the sound quality. Different speakers will sound quite different on the same crossover as long as the speakers were made to handle the frequency received. How is that wrong?
How so? It adjusts the signal frequency to each speaker but its the speaker which produces the sound quality. Different speakers will sound quite different on the same crossover as long as the speakers were made to handle the frequency received. How is that wrong?
Crossovers are your filter for input signal. They're mechanical. They don't adjust anything. They merely filter the output signal to the driver ONLY. If the resistance load is the same on the drivers being run with the crossovers in question, you could run a thousand different drivers and it would take a robot to hear the difference.
It's the same as ONLY doing a driver swap on an active setup without changing any filter settings in the DSP. Very seriously doubt the average guy could hear a difference in the driver as long as it's not playing outside of it's parameters.
Last edited by Pb82 Ronin; Sep 18, 2020 at 09:39 PM.
Virtus 603s VERSUS individual components
