GM C6R for customers soon?
08-31-2009, 06:49 PM
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Team Owner
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GM C6R for customers soon?
Noticed they mentioned this during the AMLS race yesterday? Not that I will be buying one 
Good idea after all these years. I guess they can make money and use it to justify there racing budget a bit more or even support it.
Good idea after all these years. I guess they can make money and use it to justify there racing budget a bit more or even support it.
08-31-2009, 07:53 PM
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Race Director
my opinion is that while P&M would love to sell you a car, GM absolutely doesn't want competition from anybody. The bullied their way into World Challenge with the Caddi's, caused all sorts of grief for LG, and I'm sure this will be the same deal. I think you can probably get a Porsche RSR cheaper and EASIER than you'll be able to get a GT2 Vette from GM/P&M.
just my opinion, but they don't play fair.
just my opinion, but they don't play fair.
08-31-2009, 07:58 PM
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08-31-2009, 09:28 PM
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Melting Slicks
Fehan said at the LBGP that customer cars would be available and P&M hoped to have 4 cars built by 2010
08-31-2009, 10:39 PM
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08-31-2009, 11:32 PM
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Why doesn't Dyson run Porsche stuff any more. They found their motors weren't as fast as Penske's.
No customer team will be as fast if they simply rely on the factory. I don't see the possibility of this being any different.
No customer team will be as fast if they simply rely on the factory. I don't see the possibility of this being any different.
09-01-2009, 01:25 AM
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The dyson porsche thing is an interesting point that GM isn't the only one playing the game that way. However, I can't deny I've found myself a little disappointed by how fast the Corvettes have come to the top, after how much they've screwed Lou it is harder to enjoy the success. Add in what GT1 became, I can only hope they don't do the same to GT2...
09-01-2009, 06:37 AM
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I don't understand how they can be stupid enough to not see it.
THEY build the cars, THEY HAVE THE KNOW HOW! Sell them and get free engineering and data collection from all teams to better the brand. Instead of dumping millions upon millions of dollars they could be profiting from it!
09-01-2009, 10:12 AM
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Melting Slicks
Porsche's business model for racing has, for many years, been to fill the field with competitive cars, and let the teams do the heavy lifting of running the day to day racing. I crewed for a Porsche team at the 24 hrs of Daytona one year and we finished third in GT2. The team was run on a shoestring, but you could buy most of the parts to make a competitive car and we were a close 2nd to another 911.
This is a lesson that GM has never learned, and if they were smart they would have sold a bunch of GT1 cars, had full grids and reaped the benefits of winning, and they could have done it on a budget that was a third of what they paid for it.
Problem is, as with most big companies, they wanted to "control" what was out there, and that cost them, both in terms of small fields, and high team operating costs.
This is a lesson that GM has never learned, and if they were smart they would have sold a bunch of GT1 cars, had full grids and reaped the benefits of winning, and they could have done it on a budget that was a third of what they paid for it.
Problem is, as with most big companies, they wanted to "control" what was out there, and that cost them, both in terms of small fields, and high team operating costs.
09-02-2009, 01:35 PM
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If I remember correctly, when the C5R, GT1 class car came out; it was announced with great fanfair that customer cars would be marketed.
I have seen a few go to Europe and one used one sold and raced in the states.
I'm guessing that PM would build you a car if you had a big enough checkbook and showed promise of being able to be competitive.
The used cars most likely found bigger checkbooks in the hands of collectors and museums than in racers' garages.
The GT2 verson may find the same situation but I suspect it may be much more reachable so should appear on the grid in more hands. I hope so!
Didn't Lou tell us that according to ALMS rules, only Pratt Miller is allowed to build Corvettes for the GT2 class? That was one of the points of contention between GM and Riley about his car, that they were given the OK from GM to be the official supplier of GT2 Corvettes back before the GT1 budget fell in and GM decided that Pratt Miller should switch classes.
I have seen a few go to Europe and one used one sold and raced in the states.
I'm guessing that PM would build you a car if you had a big enough checkbook and showed promise of being able to be competitive.
The used cars most likely found bigger checkbooks in the hands of collectors and museums than in racers' garages.
The GT2 verson may find the same situation but I suspect it may be much more reachable so should appear on the grid in more hands. I hope so!
Didn't Lou tell us that according to ALMS rules, only Pratt Miller is allowed to build Corvettes for the GT2 class? That was one of the points of contention between GM and Riley about his car, that they were given the OK from GM to be the official supplier of GT2 Corvettes back before the GT1 budget fell in and GM decided that Pratt Miller should switch classes.