Left foot braking at risk?
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Left foot braking at risk?
WSJ: The Obama Admin may recommend that all new U.S. vehicles be equipped with technology designed to stop a car when both the gas pedal and brakes are activated, U.S. transportation Security Ray LaHood told Congress on Tuesday.
Those of us that left foot brake, imagine factoring this into a future car purchase that may see track time.
Those of us that left foot brake, imagine factoring this into a future car purchase that may see track time.
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This is already done in a number of cars and has been an issue for autox'rs for a number of years. I believe all the newer Porsches come with this safety feature standard. Maybe some one with the facts can step in here.
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many cars already go crazy when you attempt to either left foot or heel-toe brake, mostly European cars. Personally, this doesn't bother me as much as the current Vettes' TPMS, tele-wheel, and various airbag nanny's!
TedDBere, I think Audi's have the same issues, or at least some of them.
TedDBere, I think Audi's have the same issues, or at least some of them.
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Could it be race compatible if they put a timer on the feature? For heel toe the gas and brake are only on the same time for very short intervals. Not sure about how long both are depressed in a typical left foot braking scenario. If the feature had say a 3 sec delay, that is to say both need to be depressed for 3 secs before intervention, would that allow drivers to do their thing?
They probably need to do this anyway, safety features need their own safety features at this point...
They probably need to do this anyway, safety features need their own safety features at this point...
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time to build a bigger barn. buy some C5s and older Camaros . Could be hot track car commodities in the not to distant future
Do not some of the Audi's and Volvo's have 'brake assist' ? If you get to close to the car in front of you your car automatically brakes, or if the driver is not braking hard enough, the car brakes for you?
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Do not some of the Audi's and Volvo's have 'brake assist' ? If you get to close to the car in front of you your car automatically brakes, or if the driver is not braking hard enough, the car brakes for you?
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BMW's definitely have brake assist, electronic steering, active suspension (sway bars), blah blah blah.
I've with David: think I'm going to pick me up some C5s as future fun cars! Another reason is to get cars that don't have transmitters (On-Star) that make calls to whomever the manufacturers desire when a given condition occurs.
Have a good one,
Mike
I've with David: think I'm going to pick me up some C5s as future fun cars! Another reason is to get cars that don't have transmitters (On-Star) that make calls to whomever the manufacturers desire when a given condition occurs.
Have a good one,
Mike
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I'd imagine it would be something that could be turned off with a little bit of work.
BUT How about the clowns on the road that ride with their left foot on the brake pedal all the time. Those people really get on my nerves with thier brake lights going on and off constantly as they drive.....
It would be fun watching those people re-learn how to drive, or should I say "lern to drive"
BUT How about the clowns on the road that ride with their left foot on the brake pedal all the time. Those people really get on my nerves with thier brake lights going on and off constantly as they drive.....
It would be fun watching those people re-learn how to drive, or should I say "lern to drive"
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We have a famous line around here for stuff like that. "Cut that wire" The problem now days if you cut that wire, the car goes into back up.
Just remember this is coming from the guys that want stronger cars, but less weight. Better gas mileage, without the looks of a egg. More affordable with a thousand features. Green without any drawbacks or cost.
Randy
Just remember this is coming from the guys that want stronger cars, but less weight. Better gas mileage, without the looks of a egg. More affordable with a thousand features. Green without any drawbacks or cost.
Randy
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Could it be race compatible if they put a timer on the feature? For heel toe the gas and brake are only on the same time for very short intervals. Not sure about how long both are depressed in a typical left foot braking scenario. If the feature had say a 3 sec delay, that is to say both need to be depressed for 3 secs before intervention, would that allow drivers to do their thing?
if you (not directed at anyone in particular) fully depress the brake while standing on the gas on a regular basis, and call it "left foot braking", you have bigger issues than government going after you and your racecar
heel/toe is not affected by the current implementations of the system, in fact, it is specifically configured to not interfere with that.
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BMW's definitely have brake assist, electronic steering, active suspension (sway bars), blah blah blah.
I've with David: think I'm going to pick me up some C5s as future fun cars! Another reason is to get cars that don't have transmitters (On-Star) that make calls to whomever the manufacturers desire when a given condition occurs.
Have a good one,
Mike
I've with David: think I'm going to pick me up some C5s as future fun cars! Another reason is to get cars that don't have transmitters (On-Star) that make calls to whomever the manufacturers desire when a given condition occurs.
Have a good one,
Mike
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I know when I am autocrossing my 76 automatic and my sister's 93 automatic, I am on the gas and brake at the same time. I get back on the gas a little when I am still braking to keep the RPMs up to keep the converter locked up and make for a quicker exit.
I do left foot brake in my 73 4-speed and dad's 90 ZR-1, but am not on the brake and gas too much at the same time. Pretty close though. As the left foot is coming up, the right foot is going down.
I drove a C6Z06 at convention at the michilin driving experience. With the tc system turned off, I could still feel the car "helping" to keep traction. I press the go peadal and it wouldn't go. It was annoying. I would love to have a new Z06 when I can afford one, but I would want to find out how to disable the tc system completly.
I do left foot brake in my 73 4-speed and dad's 90 ZR-1, but am not on the brake and gas too much at the same time. Pretty close though. As the left foot is coming up, the right foot is going down.
I drove a C6Z06 at convention at the michilin driving experience. With the tc system turned off, I could still feel the car "helping" to keep traction. I press the go peadal and it wouldn't go. It was annoying. I would love to have a new Z06 when I can afford one, but I would want to find out how to disable the tc system completly.
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I drove a C6Z06 at convention at the michilin driving experience. With the tc system turned off, I could still feel the car "helping" to keep traction. I press the go peadal and it wouldn't go. It was annoying. I would love to have a new Z06 when I can afford one, but I would want to find out how to disable the tc system completly.
You probably had the tc off, but the intrusive level of ah still on. To shut it all down, you need to hold the button down for 6 or so seconds.
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As a long time software engineer I can certainly attest to my own lack of joy in the idea of "Bill Gates and crew" controlling my car's essentials.
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many cars already go crazy when you attempt to either left foot or heel-toe brake, mostly European cars. Personally, this doesn't bother me as much as the current Vettes' TPMS, tele-wheel, and various airbag nanny's!
TedDBere, I think Audi's have the same issues, or at least some of them.
TedDBere, I think Audi's have the same issues, or at least some of them.