Does anyone have any braking questions.
#1761
Intermediate
I have AP Racing rotors/calipers on the front of my 05 z51. What would be a good pad for very limited street use with a focus on autocross and track days (wallet friendly)?
thanks
Matt
thanks
Matt
#1767
Race Director
Brake fluid pros only please comment
1) Do not get distracted by the dust, it's just DUST.
1.5) If you look past the dust you will see in many shots, the milky/cloudy issue I am describing.
2) Don't turn the thread into a "best fluid" thread, goodness knows we have plenty.
2.5) Don't post anything about remote bleed kits, plenty of that also.
3) It's a mix of Wilwood 570 and whatever was in before (probably stock).
4) No brake "problems" just trying to learn about the fluid appearance.
1.5) If you look past the dust you will see in many shots, the milky/cloudy issue I am describing.
2) Don't turn the thread into a "best fluid" thread, goodness knows we have plenty.
2.5) Don't post anything about remote bleed kits, plenty of that also.
3) It's a mix of Wilwood 570 and whatever was in before (probably stock).
4) No brake "problems" just trying to learn about the fluid appearance.
Last edited by froggy47; 04-08-2019 at 03:53 PM.
#1770
Are the AC Delco brake pads and rotors the same as the GM OEM part numbered ones?
GM AC Delco
25940447 171-1040 steel pads front
22847818 171-1127 steel pads rear
20981823 177-1174 steel rotors front
20981824 177-1176 steel rotors rear
Sorry if this has come up before. Thank you.
GM AC Delco
25940447 171-1040 steel pads front
22847818 171-1127 steel pads rear
20981823 177-1174 steel rotors front
20981824 177-1176 steel rotors rear
Sorry if this has come up before. Thank you.
#1771
Former Vendor
1) Do not get distracted by the dust, it's just DUST.
1.5) If you look past the dust you will see in many shots, the milky/cloudy issue I am describing.
2) Don't turn the thread into a "best fluid" thread, goodness knows we have plenty.
2.5) Don't post anything about remote bleed kits, plenty of that also.
3) It's a mix of Wilwood 570 and whatever was in before (probably stock).
4) No brake "problems" just trying to learn about the fluid appearance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gzDqAe3ycw
1.5) If you look past the dust you will see in many shots, the milky/cloudy issue I am describing.
2) Don't turn the thread into a "best fluid" thread, goodness knows we have plenty.
2.5) Don't post anything about remote bleed kits, plenty of that also.
3) It's a mix of Wilwood 570 and whatever was in before (probably stock).
4) No brake "problems" just trying to learn about the fluid appearance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gzDqAe3ycw
#1772
Melting Slicks
I have a 2001 ZO6 with APRacing Radi-CAL front brakes with Ferodo DS1.11. OEM rear hardware wish Ferodo DS.11 also. Last year, I fought with an intermittent ABS module until it eventually failed completely (left rear output sol was intermittent, and eventually stopped working). Wanting to avoid downtime (and not knowing at the time I could run without it), I just went ahead and finished the HPDE season with no ABS. Wasn't a huge deal.
I sent the ABS module to ABSFIXER, had it repaired, and am getting ready to re-install it. Not sure I'll have a chance to bring the car to a dealer to have them flush/cycle the ABS system, if that's even needed.
What can I do to flush/cycle the ABS to make sure there is no trapped air? Is it as simple as getting into ABS on the street several times to purge any air that may be in the system? I planned to do a full, normal system flush/bleed afterward.
I sent the ABS module to ABSFIXER, had it repaired, and am getting ready to re-install it. Not sure I'll have a chance to bring the car to a dealer to have them flush/cycle the ABS system, if that's even needed.
What can I do to flush/cycle the ABS to make sure there is no trapped air? Is it as simple as getting into ABS on the street several times to purge any air that may be in the system? I planned to do a full, normal system flush/bleed afterward.
Last edited by Quickshift_C5; 04-11-2019 at 03:36 PM.
#1774
Supporting Vendor
I have a 2001 ZO6 with APRacing Radi-CAL front brakes with Ferodo DS1.11. OEM rear hardware wish Ferodo DS.11 also. Last year, I fought with an intermittent ABS module until it eventually failed completely (left rear output sol was intermittent, and eventually stopped working). Wanting to avoid downtime (and not knowing at the time I could run without it), I just went ahead and finished the HPDE season with no ABS. Wasn't a huge deal.
I sent the ABS module to ABSFIXER, had it repaired, and am getting ready to re-install it. Not sure I'll have a chance to bring the car to a dealer to have them flush/cycle the ABS system, if that's even needed.
What can I do to flush/cycle the ABS to make sure there is no trapped air? Is it as simple as getting into ABS on the street several times to purge any air that may be in the system? I planned to do a full, normal system flush/bleed afterward.
I sent the ABS module to ABSFIXER, had it repaired, and am getting ready to re-install it. Not sure I'll have a chance to bring the car to a dealer to have them flush/cycle the ABS system, if that's even needed.
What can I do to flush/cycle the ABS to make sure there is no trapped air? Is it as simple as getting into ABS on the street several times to purge any air that may be in the system? I planned to do a full, normal system flush/bleed afterward.
#1776
Supporting Vendor
Gents,
I realized this would be a great place to list an article I just wrote, "Track and Race Pad Owner's Guide". It discusses pad construction, assessing wear, taper, impact of driving aids, noise, etc. There is some other good brake-related learning in that location as well. Enjoy!
I realized this would be a great place to list an article I just wrote, "Track and Race Pad Owner's Guide". It discusses pad construction, assessing wear, taper, impact of driving aids, noise, etc. There is some other good brake-related learning in that location as well. Enjoy!
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mikeCsix (05-10-2019)
#1777
As someone who spent a whole year trying to get air out of the brakes after swapping the EBCM, just do the automated bleed. I thought it was unnecessary and that the air would work itself out of the module, but it didn't, not even in over 40 hours of racing and 5-6 liters of Castrol SRF bleeding/flushing. We would start every race with a firm pedal, thinking that the issue was solved, and then would get a worse and worse pedal every time the ABS kicked in, to the point where at the end of an 8 hour race I was literally pumping the pedal 3-4 times into every corner because otherwise it'd just go to the floor. I rebuilt calipers, did power bleeds, manual bleeds, changed the master cylinder, and everything else you can think of, but nothing worked. I would have done it sooner but this is a 99 updated to a 2001 module and I hadn't bought or hooked up the steering sensor, so DTC's wouldn't allow the automated bleed. I cleared all that up last month and pushed out a whole bunch of air and milky fluid with the automated bleed procedure. It's there for a reason, and it's not that hard to do with a Tech 2, just do it and save yourself some headache.
#1778
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I have a 2001 ZO6 with APRacing Radi-CAL front brakes with Ferodo DS1.11. OEM rear hardware wish Ferodo DS.11 also. Last year, I fought with an intermittent ABS module until it eventually failed completely (left rear output sol was intermittent, and eventually stopped working). Wanting to avoid downtime (and not knowing at the time I could run without it), I just went ahead and finished the HPDE season with no ABS. Wasn't a huge deal.
I sent the ABS module to ABSFIXER, had it repaired, and am getting ready to re-install it. Not sure I'll have a chance to bring the car to a dealer to have them flush/cycle the ABS system, if that's even needed.
What can I do to flush/cycle the ABS to make sure there is no trapped air? Is it as simple as getting into ABS on the street several times to purge any air that may be in the system? I planned to do a full, normal system flush/bleed afterward.
I sent the ABS module to ABSFIXER, had it repaired, and am getting ready to re-install it. Not sure I'll have a chance to bring the car to a dealer to have them flush/cycle the ABS system, if that's even needed.
What can I do to flush/cycle the ABS to make sure there is no trapped air? Is it as simple as getting into ABS on the street several times to purge any air that may be in the system? I planned to do a full, normal system flush/bleed afterward.
Last edited by badhabit_wb; 04-11-2019 at 03:56 PM.
#1779
Race Director
My description would simply be "worn out fluid", meaning a mix of contaminant from the being mixed with old fluid (a no-no really....you know you should flush it clear whenever possible) as well as thermal breakdown and rubber seal discoloration. In short; looks like a lot of old and neglected fluid to me. Like my truck! lol
Froggy
#1780
Supporting Vendor
As someone who spent a whole year trying to get air out of the brakes after swapping the EBCM, just do the automated bleed. I thought it was unnecessary and that the air would work itself out of the module, but it didn't, not even in over 40 hours of racing and 5-6 liters of Castrol SRF bleeding/flushing. We would start every race with a firm pedal, thinking that the issue was solved, and then would get a worse and worse pedal every time the ABS kicked in, to the point where at the end of an 8 hour race I was literally pumping the pedal 3-4 times into every corner because otherwise it'd just go to the floor. I rebuilt calipers, did power bleeds, manual bleeds, changed the master cylinder, and everything else you can think of, but nothing worked. I would have done it sooner but this is a 99 updated to a 2001 module and I hadn't bought or hooked up the steering sensor, so DTC's wouldn't allow the automated bleed. I cleared all that up last month and pushed out a whole bunch of air and milky fluid with the automated bleed procedure. It's there for a reason, and it's not that hard to do with a Tech 2, just do it and save yourself some headache.