Nokones

Thanks for posting the 2017 CAM rules. They must have been posted to Facebook because I don't see them on the SCCA Website. I don't subscribe to Facebook so I am last to know.

Now, I can put my car on another diet to shed some more pounds.

froggy47

Well I guess "somebody" was listening a little bit. SCCA works in mysterious ways.

Nokones

I'm glad they did away with the minimum wheelbase rule for each class. Although that didn't affect the Kool Car Class with the Kool drivers, it does resolve a problem with other kool cars so they are not placed in a class at a disadvantage.

Saddletan

Can a C2 run in CAM T? Don't think I can shed another 400lb. Easier to add 100lb.

Nokones

That subject was discussed at the Townhall Meeting. It was felt that would drive away most of the CAM-T drivers and ruin the class. There was discussion in making a class for the C1-C3 Corvettes if the numbers of the C1-C3 entries warrant a new class. That subject is not dead it is something they (SCCA) will keep an eye on.

I hope the earlier (Vintage) Corvettes start running CAM. There will be more C3 Corvettes running in 2017

l98tpi

C6 for now. I've been running the C4 for 10yrs. I have been waiting for the right C6Z to come along for a couple of years. It finally came across one that caught my attention. I am keeping the C4 for backup. There are plans to make additional alterations to it in the next few years

l98tpi

Just read the rules. 450lb deficit is fair enough. I see that they x'd the Kumho ACR. Well there went that idea. I'm glad this did come out, I was going to order wheels last night and tires in a couple weeks. The wheels were on backprder and wouldn't accept payment. Wow, that was close. 😓

froggy47

Does that fix it for my friend in SD that did so much work last year to alter his Mustang 2 wheelbase to be legal? And then have the SCCA make the altered car illegal after all the work?

Nokones

Unfortunately, it probably does make him not in compliance this year. Wasn't there a Maverick also in the same situation in San Diego that had to run in CAM-S? I kinda remember the issue with a Maverick that was in the same situation and I think Tom was telling me about the Mustang II that had to run in CAM-S because of the minimum wheelbase rule.

I know rules are rules and racing is racing and having fun is why we are out there with our Kool cars, and since there are no real performance limiting rules, I would hope that no one cares about his altered frame. So, lets race, swap some lies, and have a lot fun with our Kool cars and let him race in CAM-T.

froggy47

I'm in CAM-S SD and no, no Maverick or Mustang 2 ever ran with me, they are not 2 seater's no matter what the wheelbase, so no. The Mustang 2 I refer to IS the SD car. We do also have a Maverick (pretty fast) in SD that runs in CAM-C or CAM-T, I forget.

That's too bad, sometimes the nice guys who play by the rules get screwed anyway.

Tomswheels

It was 2015 that Al had to run his Mustang 2 in CAM-S, with the Maverick. In 2016 they lowered the wheelbase min in CAM-T to 100, so the Maverick automatically moved to CAM-T. AL ended up changing his k member, but not his frame to get to 100+ inches. Kind of a grey area now as to if it's "incidental suspension change". Since there are now no wheelbase minimums, seems ridiculous to disallow a guy adding 3 inches...

troyguitar

Well hell, now my car is 250 lbs too heavy instead of 150 lbs... That was unexpected and unfortunate.

Nokones

Yah, that was a surprised to me too. That wasn't discussed at the Townhall meeting at Nationals. Well, more diet now to see how close I can get to the minimum legally. That will be tough for a C4. I guess I could always take out the cage but, I probably wouldn't be happy with the results.

If they let use run hoosiers that would save about 65 pounds and then I could go back to the 17" wheels, and get another 5 pounds for all 4 wheels. That would put me in the high 2900's with the cage.

My exhaust from the front "Y" back to the rear weighs 43 pounds. I should save some there when Mike Maier, Inc. does his thing on my exhaust. Hopefully, it'll meet sound. Also, I will be saving a few pounds with my new Carbon Fiber Rear Bumper and Spoiler.

I'm already running with a gallon or two on the fuel so no help in that area.

I guess I can get it close, it will be hard but, fun trying to figure it out. I guess a C5 or C6 build would have been easier but, I am having a lot of fun in trying to making the C4 work, and I mean it is a lot of work.

l98tpi

My exhaust set up was front Y from Header collectors to a single pipe that ran back to the rear hanger for the rear y. I spliced in the single section a 12" bullet race muffler and that got me to 97dcb. At least that was the highest at NationAls this past year.

True Carbon Fiber hood. It was expensive but saved 75lbs.

SargeZ06

Why would they run? They can't beat the Class ringer as it is. Its make less sense to put them in a class with C5Zs and Vipers.

The results show the opposite.

2016 Tire Rack Solo Nationals Combined
September 6-9, 2016

CAM-C Winning combined time: 117.663

CAM-T Winning combined time: 118.225

CAM-S 71 Corvette 118.456 Finished 3rd in class
68 Corvette 121.443 Finished 13th in class
68 Corvette 124.332 Finished 19th in class

Nokones

Those were times when CAM ran on Wednesday in drying conditions. Anyways, unless the C3 and earlier Corvettes show up there will never be a justification for a class for Vintage Corvettes.

Oh by the way, the C3 that was car #71, driven by Tom Kammen finished in 13th place. The C3 that finished third was Mike Johnson in car #94.

eric1855

Junior was keeping up with the C5s in his C3.

But yes, take all the times with a grain of salt the Tuesday course was...interesting..and on Wednesday it rained.

SargeZ06

Junior was in his C6Z on the second days so those times are probably even better.

eric1855

Not at Nationals, he switched at the Invitational but stayed in the C3 all days at Nats

SargeZ06

They all had to run the same conditions.

No one is saying make a separate class. They should be in CAM-T.

Anyways they won't show up when they are running against ABS and 40+ years newer suspension technology. There isn't a reality where that makes sense.

Perhaps that's the intent.