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Old 05-13-2019, 04:32 PM
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Ferrari is regressing and it's hard to watch the potential unraveling of a once storied team. Unfortunately all the money in Italy won't change things for the better. As harsh as this may sound Ferrari needs the help of someone outside of the Italian community to sort this mess out. This is looking more and more like a spaghetti western. If I want passion I'll look to the Italians, if I want problem solvers I might turn to the Germans or even the Brits.
Old 05-13-2019, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
Spain was a disaster for Ferrari, right from FP1. They need to analyze why they were so quick in sectors 1 and 2, but lost close to a full second in sector 3 alone.

I see a fair resurgence in RB taking over Ferrari's role as pressing Mercedes, but honestly Merc is working so well right now: performance, pit stop execution, strategy, etc., that they'd be just about unbeatable in any instance.
Max's analysis/explanation might be right:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...n_the_corners/
Take Ferrari's pit stops: whatever was happening on the left rear corner? They seemed to have the same malfunction multiple times.
It was Ferrari's season in a nutshell, wasn't it?

That article was just a screed about British influence waning, and other markets improving, which MUST BE DEALT WITH.
Britain is the center of the F1 World.
What happens there is important to the sport, to put it mildly.

Wait, I thought that was the sneering taunt thrown at NASCAR by the uppities in F1 media.
Uhhhh...

BTW, did you watch that clip of the Indycar race?
Not yet, I will in about an hour on my Big Screen.

Originally Posted by mattastick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiS_FK9FEz4

Interesting video on positive feedback loops in F1, and some interesting ways to introduce negative ones to help even out the sport.
Hmmmm...
Originally Posted by bcmarly
Ferrari is regressing and it's hard to watch the potential unraveling of a once storied team. Unfortunately all the money in Italy won't change things for the better. As harsh as this may sound Ferrari needs the help of someone outside of the Italian community to sort this mess out. This is looking more and more like a spaghetti western. If I want passion I'll look to the Italians, if I want problem solvers I might turn to the Germans or even the Brits.
Maybe so, but $$$ does help in one area, if nothing else, it allows a team to hire the best in the business.
IIRC, MB, RB, & Ferrari have the largest budgets in the paddock by far.
Old 05-14-2019, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by nickTsandman
F1 is still a 2 or 3 team race. These teams should have there own race. Let the "BEST OF THE REST" race there separate race! As F1 stands now, its a joke!
MB has how many consecutive championships? and bluntly Ferrari seems to be falling further behind.

IMO you're stretching for 3 sure RBR gets a win here and there but they're winning at about the rate the best of the rest used to win.
Old 05-14-2019, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 93Polo
RBR gets a win here and there but they're winning at about the rate the best of the rest used to win.
True.
As things stand right now, MB has won around 90% of the races the last 5 years.
No one has ever dominated like this before.
During RB's glory years, they won only 50% of the races.
That's a big BIG difference.
Old 05-14-2019, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
True.
As things stand right now, MB has won around 90% of the races the last 5 years.
No one has ever dominated like this before.
During RB's glory years, they won only 50% of the races.
That's a big BIG difference.
Schumi did have 5 years of dominance but the races weren't won this often. The McLaren MP4 of the 80s didn't dominate this long.
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Originally Posted by 93Polo
Schumi did have 5 years of dominance but the races weren't won this often. The McLaren MP4 of the 80s didn't dominate this long.
Ultimately, it's up to the FIA on how the future of the sport will play out.
Their lack of leadership (aka, ***-kissing the Big 3) has made a mockery of the sport.
Jean Todt should be removed.

On a related note, Martin Brundle has been reading our thread too:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...g_2021_vision/
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
Ultimately, it's up to the FIA on how the future of the sport will play out.
Their lack of leadership (aka, ***-kissing the Big 3) has made a mockery of the sport.
Jean Todt should be removed.

On a related note, Martin Brundle has been reading our thread too:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...g_2021_vision/
I have made the prediction among my friends that Merc wins every championship under the current rules package. Interesting take from Brundle.
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Old 05-14-2019, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 93Polo
I have made the prediction among my friends that Merc wins every championship under the current rules package.
You made a safe bet right there.
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
You made a safe bet right there.
Zandvoort is back maybe at the expense of Spain. I think I will take that trade. It will be interesting to see the track in F1 spec.
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Originally Posted by 93Polo
Zandvoort is back maybe at the expense of Spain. I think I will take that trade. It will be interesting to see the track in F1 spec.
God help anyone who gets in Max's way.
Old 05-14-2019, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
Someone has been reading our forum, DK:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...is_needed_now/

Ya no kidding! We know the brain trust are!

This is the perfect example of monkeys running the zoo.

Let these nimwits make the decisions and see where you end up....
F1 needs to be a dictatorship, not a democracy. These are the rules: do you want to play or not?

I really hope Merc gets another 1-2 in Monaco and then again in Canada.
REally, I hope they get 1-2 for every race this season. I also hope that Red Bull overtake Ferrari in this mess. Ferrari needs to know it's ******* up and no better way to make that point is if they go WINLESS for the whole season.
The entire culture there is wrong. They need less Italians in the team.
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Originally Posted by D K

I really hope Merc gets another 1-2 in Monaco and then again in Canada.
REally, I hope they get 1-2 for every race this season.
It might mean sacrificing this season, but it would put pressure on to change F1 like nothing else.

Now that I think about it...that B.S. artist Toto Wolff would never let it happen.
He would throw races if necessary to prevent it.
The FIA believes he holds more cards than anyone else right now.

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God help anyone who gets in Max's way.
That's most races now
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
Max's analysis/explanation might be right:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...n_the_corners/
It was Ferrari's season in a nutshell, wasn't it?

Britain is the center of the F1 World.
What happens there is important to the sport, to put it mildly.

Uhhhh...

Not yet, I will in about an hour on my Big Screen.


Hmmmm...
Maybe so, but $$$ does help in one area, if nothing else, it allows a team to hire the best in the business.
IIRC, MB, RB, & Ferrari have the largest budgets in the paddock by far.
Well it would be nice if they hired the best in the business but they clearly haven't. They collect more money from F1 than any other team and their budget is right at the top. Yes it's time they used their money to hire the best.
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What F1 would give for a proper, even battle between its biggest stars.


Unfortunately Schumacher, Senna, and Clark aren't readily available for going against Hamilton.

I confess, I do get a bit tired of all "the sky is falling, <insert racing/sporting series> is doomed" chatter. And not just here; it's EVERYWHERE, for EVERYTHING.

The only way you are going to get Mercedes dominance out of F1 until 2021 is to ban them. If you're not willing to to go those lengths, then just accept it and enjoy the rest of the racing. After 2021 I expect someone else will hit the target square, and will become the dominant team.

Unless, as no one seems to want to do, you make F1 a spec series similar to Indycar. Otherwise you can put your pet theory into practice (big wings, small wings, big power, less power, more aero, less aero, take your pick), and someone will optimize that set of rules and rule the roost. It's happened for literally decades, under both dictator and democratic leadership.

Ok, rant over. Now on to Monaco (which I unfortunately won't be able to see that weekend as my wife and I are starting a 2 week road trip in our C7)!

Have a good one,
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
God help anyone who gets in Max's way.
I wanna see mad max again

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Mattastick, sorry but I don't have more details about this suspension of the Féfé but I think the problems with the Rossa are due to several factors.

During the winter tests, there were 2 philosophies of front fins, Féfé-Merco and everyone was wondering who would win. Today we know and see both Féfé and Alfa sinking. The lack of downforce becomes problematic even if the top speed is high with less drag the slow turns are catastrophic and this does not augur well at Monaco for the victory. The cans or Merco are expected at Monac'.

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Originally Posted by bcmarly
Ferrari is regressing and it's hard to watch the potential unraveling of a once storied team. Unfortunately all the money in Italy won't change things for the better. As harsh as this may sound Ferrari needs the help of someone outside of the Italian community to sort this mess out. This is looking more and more like a spaghetti western. If I want passion I'll look to the Italians, if I want problem solvers I might turn to the Germans or even the Brits.

Hehe

Let's rewind clocks back to 1995 when Schumacher and Brawn went to Ferrari.

Do you remember what a disaster it was??
I remember in Canada (I think) Ferrari lauched a prop shaft high in the air when leaving pits.
The whole team was a disaster.

Even with THAT management, it took 4 years to turn the team into a championship contender/winner.

Imagine how many years it would take with the CURRENT management aka a bunch of monkeys, to reach that level!

Italians are good in the kitchen though...
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"But in Hell, the place is run by the Italians."
Sad to watch them sef-destruct even so.



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