F1 Chat Thread
05-14-2019, 08:36 PM
#4002
Drifting
05-15-2019, 01:19 AM
#4003
Race Director
Thread Starter
The only way you are going to get Mercedes dominance out of F1 until 2021 is to ban them. If you're not willing to to go those lengths, then just accept it and enjoy the rest of the racing. After 2021 I expect someone else will hit the target square, and will become the dominant team.
Unless, as no one seems to want to do, you make F1 a spec series similar to Indycar.
I'll be honest here: I'm ready for it.
We've tried having a series ABOUT THE CAR, and it isn't working.
I want to see F1 be about DRIVERS, not fncking Engineers.
Now on to Monaco (which I unfortunately won't be able to see that weekend as my wife and I are starting a 2 week road trip in our C7)!
No you don't...you just think you do.
It can't be said about any other brand...
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05-15-2019, 10:10 AM
#4005
05-15-2019, 10:16 AM
#4007
05-15-2019, 10:31 AM
#4008
Team Owner
Merc clearly knows how long to stress the engines, and how to most effectively apply power thanks to their R&D. If the customer teams had equal knowledge, a more even footing is restored.
I don't see the FIA coming out with a better rules package but the Merc F1 team leaving could happen.
05-15-2019, 10:37 AM
#4009
Team Owner
The tricky part is balancing spec parts, development, and costs. WEC was awesome with Porsche, Audi, and Toyota and likely still would be if Audi didn't have to pay fines
05-15-2019, 10:55 AM
#4010
Le Mans Master
Have a good one,
Mike
05-15-2019, 11:20 AM
#4011
Mattastick, sorry but I don't have more details about this suspension of the Féfé but I think the problems with the Rossa are due to several factors.
During the winter tests, there were 2 philosophies of front fins, Féfé-Merco and everyone was wondering who would win. Today we know and see both Féfé and Alfa sinking. The lack of downforce becomes problematic even if the top speed is high with less drag the slow turns are catastrophic and this does not augur well at Monaco for the victory. The cans or Merco are expected at Monac'.
During the winter tests, there were 2 philosophies of front fins, Féfé-Merco and everyone was wondering who would win. Today we know and see both Féfé and Alfa sinking. The lack of downforce becomes problematic even if the top speed is high with less drag the slow turns are catastrophic and this does not augur well at Monaco for the victory. The cans or Merco are expected at Monac'.
Agreed on the front wings. We knew we would see some kind of alignment about which theory worked better (full height Merco wings or the Alpha low outside edge wing). It seemed like Ferrari/Alpha had hopefully done their homework and figured out enough tracks were rear axle limited, and they would be able to make enough front downforce with their concept to still be competitive. Apparently, they just didn't factor in that Merco and others would be able to pile on more downforce and be faster than the simulations Ferrari/Alpha had. Keep in mind, they're doing several lap time simulations of every track (hopefully) before they commit to an aero concept. This is part of why the front wing style change would take so long to switch between the 2 concepts (along with the complexity of the front wings and the flow structures created by said wing, and how those are handled later on the car).
05-15-2019, 01:34 PM
#4013
Race Director
Thread Starter
On a related note, Martin Brundle has been reading our thread too:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...g_2021_vision/
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...g_2021_vision/
I linked to Brundle's thoughts earlier.
^^^^^
Merc clearly knows how long to stress the engines, and how to most effectively apply power thanks to their R&D. If the customer teams had equal knowledge, a more even footing is restored.
I don't see the FIA coming out with a better rules package but the Merc F1 team leaving could happen.
Most specifically: budget sizes.
If budgets are allowed to be unlimited, we will once again get to a situation of having a team or 2 outspend the rest of the field and hire the top people.
IMO, F1 needs a paradigm shift.
Again, it's up to the FIA to make it happen.
FWIW, I do believe Liberty believes this too.
Sadly, they don't seem to have the political power to make it happen.
It's now obvious Liberty didn't realize they would end up so impotent when they bought the commercial rights.
In theory, I couldn't agree more.
One of the great things about F1 is the technology behind it...it is fascinating to be sure.
IMO, it is currently dominating the SPORT itself in a way it never has before.
If you make it about the driver, the more spec racerish, you get the more the team that can simulate races and maximizes the small changes profits. The big team dominance in Indy shows this as does Spec Miata.
WEC was awesome with Porsche, Audi, and Toyota
There were was some great competition back then.
05-15-2019, 01:50 PM
#4014
Basically, the more money you have to spend, you'll find smaller and smaller gains to spend it on. If the big gains are covered by rules, you'll spend the money somewhere else.
05-15-2019, 01:56 PM
#4015
Race Director
Thread Starter
Barcelona Testing (morning results):
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6..._for_Red_Bull/
A fascinating (and funny) little tidbit regarding Haas and its new sponsor:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...re_not_filled/
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6..._for_Red_Bull/
A fascinating (and funny) little tidbit regarding Haas and its new sponsor:
http://gptoday.com/full_story/view/6...re_not_filled/
05-15-2019, 02:02 PM
#4016
Race Director
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05-15-2019, 02:09 PM
#4017
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You mean Porsche, Audi, and Peugeot and Audi used to eat everyone's lunch until Peugeot challenged them.
05-15-2019, 02:25 PM
#4019
Team Owner
In Spec Miata, the top teams put every car on the alignment rack/scales before/after every session, adjusting things to micro increments to find more speed.
Basically, the more money you have to spend, you'll find smaller and smaller gains to spend it on. If the big gains are covered by rules, you'll spend the money somewhere else.
Basically, the more money you have to spend, you'll find smaller and smaller gains to spend it on. If the big gains are covered by rules, you'll spend the money somewhere else.
$$$ will buy the smallest detail and the best minds/technology/driver (in pro divisions) for finding those details. IMO the more you restrict rules, the more you get to the same problem as open rule books. The magic spot is a small place in the middle. F1 will always have a small upper tier but we agree the MB dominance is unprecedented.