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Whichever side you are on penalty no penalty, if Monaco was not deserving the other certainly was not
Oh, I'm not arguing that at all. BUT, the fact that they screwed up a call 3 years ago doesn't justify not making the call this time. They whacked Verstappen at COTA (for example) for making a great pass over a painted line, they needed to penalize Vettel for straightening out the chicane this time. HOW they did it I don't agree with (I wanted them to have him let Hamilton pass him, then have at it), but at least they did something that was relevant.
AND, don't forget, all Vettel had to do was stretch out a 5 second lead on Hamilton and he'd still have won the race.
Oh, I'm not arguing that at all. BUT, the fact that they screwed up a call 3 years ago doesn't justify not making the call this time
It goes towards grounds inconsistency. The FIA does not consistently and fairly impose penalties, and this isn't a local event. The professionalism should be better.
Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
They whacked Verstappen at COTA (for example) for making a great pass over a painted line, they needed to penalize Vettel for straightening out the chicane this time. HOW they did it I don't agree with (I wanted them to have him let Hamilton pass him, then have at it), but at least they did something that was relevant.
AND, don't forget, all Vettel had to do was stretch out a 5 second lead on Hamilton and he'd still have won the race.
Have a good one,
Mike
Verstappen was overtaking and pinched by a legal move. The other 2 instances were cars defending and going outside the racing surface into areas which would likely result in a qualifying lap being tossed. I see a major difference in Vettel going on to grass and regaining control vs Lewis staying on a paved surface. Lewis was far more deserving of giving up the spot.
Finally, FINALLY, tests 2 started this afternoon at Le Mans at 4pm, many rains but not during EL2, there will be night tests. For those who know the circuit, I will be at the Arnage curve, a nice strategic point but I forgot my real camera, just my smartphone, at night not so good, I work tomorrow night and then at night too and there for the race in afternoon. I have videos, I had finished my service and I was a spectator, I hope I can publish them here asap, not before putting them on youtube
It goes towards grounds inconsistency. The FIA does not consistently and fairly impose penalties, and this isn't a local event. The professionalism should be better.
Well, sure. Hamilton should have been penalized, no argument. But I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on Vettel's penalty. If there's no penalty for cutting a chicane (whatever the reason), then just get rid of them. BTW, if the positions had been swapped, and Hamilton had lost control and bounded over the chicane, while keeping his foot down (which Vettel did), then I'd argue he should have been penalized just the same (well, letting Vettel by and then letting them go at it again, in my fantasy scenario).
Well, sure. Hamilton should have been penalized, no argument. But I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on Vettel's penalty. If there's no penalty for cutting a chicane (whatever the reason), then just get rid of them. BTW, if the positions had been swapped, and Hamilton had lost control and bounded over the chicane, while keeping his foot down (which Vettel did), then I'd argue he should have been penalized just the same (well, letting Vettel by and then letting them go at it again, in my fantasy scenario).
Have a good one,
Mike
We will have to agree to disagree, I don't view it as no penalty but penalty served by going off pavement in loss of time, debris on tires, and risk of possible damage. I am a fan of creating consequences by going off track which loads of paved runoff mitigate.
Finally, FINALLY, tests 2 started this afternoon at Le Mans at 4pm, many rains but not during EL2, there will be night tests. For those who know the circuit, I will be at the Arnage curve, a nice strategic point but I forgot my real camera, just my smartphone, at night not so good, I work tomorrow night and then at night too and there for the race in afternoon. I have videos, I had finished my service and I was a spectator, I hope I can publish them here asap, not before putting them on youtube
In the same area as the run down into Indianapolis which I understand is often the fastest part of the track with the chicanes on the Mulsanne. Enjoy the evening wish I was there
No, Vettel didn't deserve a penalty. This was a racing incident. He was doing everything that any racer is going to do when put in the same situation: do everything possible to not lose the position. Period. Did you (Vettel) screw up? Yes. How do you (Vettel) respond to that? Minimize the mistake and stay ahead of your opponent. Period. That's the only thing that matters to a racer at that point. A lesser driver would have handed the win to LeClerc in that situation by taking out both cars. But these are 2 multi time world champions, and they sorted it out. Hamilton had 9 laps after the incident to get past Vettel and was unable, before he found out Vettel was getting the penalty. It didn't happen. That tells me that Hamilton wasn't going to get by, unless Vettel screwed up again.
In your opinion, Vettel didn’t deserve a penalty. However there are many of us, oh and yes the Stewards along with the FIA, who feel differently.
I think its fair to say that there has been a degree of inconsistency from the fia.
Also, from the racing point of view, it would have been much better if Vettel was told over the radio to let Lewis by.
Lastly, the argument that Vettel was doing everything to get the car under control, that he had no place to go etc. - is false.
If ou look at the incident from all different angles, he was trying to brng the car to the right on the grass instead of straight lining it. He had enough control to move the car on the grass but couldnt move the car to the left on asphalt?
If ou look at the incident from all different angles, he was trying to brng the car to the right on the grass instead of straight lining it. He had enough control to move the car on the grass but couldnt move the car to the left on asphalt?
His response is not too unusual in a situation like this..
Drivers know that straight lining a chicane is an automatic call from stewards to give up a place.
Polo, that's right. Last night was Q1, the Vettes are 11th and 14th.
Here are some pictures taken on Wednesday when the public road closed at 12pm so that the entire indoor and outdoor circuit would be operational. The indoor circuit, used in trackday and for motorcycle GP is called "le Bugatti".
Thursday Q2 at 18h50 and Q3 and Q3 at 21h50 , French hour.
Saturday, warm up 8h55, race start at 15h00, French hour. Rain in the night or in the morning is frequent at Le Mans
You have a lot of free link on youtube to follow the race.
Tertre rouge curve and the restaurant, an Aston crashed here in test 1
His response is not too unusual in a situation like this..
Drivers know that straight lining a chicane is an automatic call from stewards to give up a place.
In any case, Ferrari knows Seb screwed up and tried to block on purpose. They will not appeal the ruling.
I didn't understand Ferrari appealing in the first place, as several sources said that kind of decision wasn't subject to appeal. Another team (Williams?) had tried that in the past with zero success.
Amazing battle for the pole in GTE Pro, if you can watch the race, you have to do it absolutely. The mood is electric.
La Toyota # 7 was unable to avoid the accident with Oreca Dragonspeed # 31 during qualifying tests on Wednesday evening at the Circuit de la Sarthe. While driving the Japanese car, Mike Conway did not slow down enough. He was arriving at the connection bend when Roberto Gonzalez decided to start again under his nose and against the track, the accident could have been serious and the Toyota received a 3-minute penalty that will be effective if there is another mistake in the race.
video, hope no geolocation with the video...
LMP1 :
1. Toyota n°7 /: 3’15’’497 (réalisé par Kamui Kobayashi, 3 poles at Le Mans for Kamui)
2. Toyota n°8 : 3’15’’908
3. SMP n°17 : 3’16’’159
4. Rebellion n°3 : 3’16’’404
5. SMP n°11 : 3’16’’665
6. Rebellion n°1 : 3’16’’810
7. DragonSpeed n°10 : 3’20’’200
8. ByKolles n°4 : 3’23’’109
GTE Pro :
1The battle will rage in GTE Pro :
1 Aston Martin n°95 : 3’48’’000
2: Ford n°67 : 3'48''112
3: Corvette n°63 : 3'48''830 Magnussen Garcia Rockenfeller ( #2 in Q2)
...
11: Corvette #64
20th parti
20th official participation at the great ''course'' of Le Mans by Corvette Racing
#63 at the straight line ''les Hunaudières''.Amazing battle for the pole in GTE Pro, if you can watch the race, you have to do it absolutely. The mood is electric.
20th official participation at the great ''course'' of Le Mans by Corvette Racing
#63 at the straight line ''les Hunaudières''.
The record VMax : WM Peugeot VMax/top speed is 405 km/h piloting by Roger Dorchy in 1988, before ACO, LM Organization pladed 2 chicanes in the straight line
They've gone away., since 15 mn, and the #63 passed in the first mn the Ford, the Aston. Vette 63 1st. It's a show Corvette #64 overtakes a BMW M8
After 2 h of race, #63 1st under pressure of an insisting Porsche #93, #64 P8. The speaker said, 'we have the pleasure to have this amazing and best engine sound at Le Mans, the Corvette, because next year with the ME, it will be not so magic...'' no comment, nothing else to add...
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Reason: Orthographe
As you saw certainly, in the first hours of the race, #64 crashed and give up. A terrible fight between #63, Aston, Porsche and Féfé but at the sunrise 63 is P1 in class GTE Pro , a real dog fight with a Féfé . But nothing is decided: in 2017, Corvette Racing in the lead lost the race in the last lap due to a puncture
I'm fed up with this 3 car Safety Car routine. It causes chaos, screws up the racing for many teams, and, IMO, is subject to "gaming" the race. I realize one SC on an 8+ mile circuit doesn't work well either, but a SC isn't supposed to put competitive cars laps down just because of "luck".
They already have the "slow zone" rules and tools in place, surely they could just do that for the entire course during a SC period. Or something. DO SOMETHING..
Grr....
OTOH, we had a great visit with our daughter for Father's Day yesterday!
06-12-2019, 02:37 PM
