Can the Diff be Removed without the trans and TT?
#1
Drifting
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Can the Diff be Removed without the trans and TT?
I'm halfway through removing the driveline to get my diff rebuilt. I've been using a combination of the shop manuals and youtube videos as instructions and this is the first time I'm taking on this job. I have the rear sub frame lowered and detached from the body. The shop manual instructs that you remove the 2 nuts that connect the diff to the sub frame which I've done. Now the sub frame is lowered and the driveline is resting on the sub frame on jack stands. The brake lines and wires are detached from the sub frame.
I read on facebook (where everything is true and reliable) that the diff can be removed without taking the trans and TT out. Does anyone on here have experience doing that?
Since my sub frame and diff are decoupled, I planned to remove the sub frame first. Then removed the TT, Trans, and Diff separately second.
I'm doing the job on jack stands. I picked up a transmission jack to help.
Thoughts? I'll post a couple pics below
I read on facebook (where everything is true and reliable) that the diff can be removed without taking the trans and TT out. Does anyone on here have experience doing that?
Since my sub frame and diff are decoupled, I planned to remove the sub frame first. Then removed the TT, Trans, and Diff separately second.
I'm doing the job on jack stands. I picked up a transmission jack to help.
Thoughts? I'll post a couple pics below
#3
YES.
I just blew my Differential again early this year on my 07 manual Vette. I had no problem removing the diff w diff brace while the Trans and TT was still connected. I had to remove X-pipe and tunnel plate so i may lower assembly enough to access all bolts. Make sure to support torque tube and watch engine to firewall clearance while lowering. This is the second time I have done this and both times I left the Transmission and T-tube in/on car. Took me about 10 hours as I have no lift, no creeper, and no help.
I just blew my Differential again early this year on my 07 manual Vette. I had no problem removing the diff w diff brace while the Trans and TT was still connected. I had to remove X-pipe and tunnel plate so i may lower assembly enough to access all bolts. Make sure to support torque tube and watch engine to firewall clearance while lowering. This is the second time I have done this and both times I left the Transmission and T-tube in/on car. Took me about 10 hours as I have no lift, no creeper, and no help.
Last edited by Boosted_Z; 12-13-2018 at 06:21 PM.
#4
Melting Slicks
I've thought about doing this as well, but didn't think it would really work. I've pulled everything to do a clutch swap before, and figured I'd have to do it again to service the diff alone.
My concern is letting the trans and torque tube droop enough to get the clearance to remove the diff. Seems like that would be a poor decision with it still connected. This apparently wasn't an issue?
My concern is letting the trans and torque tube droop enough to get the clearance to remove the diff. Seems like that would be a poor decision with it still connected. This apparently wasn't an issue?
#5
I just blew my Differential again early this year on my 07 manual Vette. I had no problem removing the diff w diff brace while the Trans and TT was still connected. I had to remove X-pipe and tunnel plate so i may lower assembly enough to access all bolts. Make sure to support torque tube and watch engine to firewall clearance while lowering. This is the second time I have done this and both times I left the Transmission and T-tube in/on car. Took me about 10 hours as I have no lift, no creeper, and no help.
Curious: What causes the Diff to break down?
Last edited by GoatHead; 12-13-2018 at 04:14 PM.
#6
Pro
I've thought about doing this as well, but didn't think it would really work. I've pulled everything to do a clutch swap before, and figured I'd have to do it again to service the diff alone.
My concern is letting the trans and torque tube droop enough to get the clearance to remove the diff. Seems like that would be a poor decision with it still connected. This apparently wasn't an issue?
My concern is letting the trans and torque tube droop enough to get the clearance to remove the diff. Seems like that would be a poor decision with it still connected. This apparently wasn't an issue?
#8
Melting Slicks
Thank you, it'll save me some work. I have a leaking diff on my track car that I've been putting off because I didn't want to pull EVERYTHING. Just the diff isn't bad at all.
#9
I've thought about doing this as well, but didn't think it would really work. I've pulled everything to do a clutch swap before, and figured I'd have to do it again to service the diff alone.
My concern is letting the trans and torque tube droop enough to get the clearance to remove the diff. Seems like that would be a poor decision with it still connected. This apparently wasn't an issue?
My concern is letting the trans and torque tube droop enough to get the clearance to remove the diff. Seems like that would be a poor decision with it still connected. This apparently wasn't an issue?
Last edited by Boosted_Z; 12-13-2018 at 06:27 PM.
#10
Le Mans Master
YES.
I just blew my Differential again early this year on my 07 manual Vette. I had no problem removing the diff w diff brace while the Trans and TT was still connected. I had to remove X-pipe and tunnel plate so i may lower assembly enough to access all bolts. Make sure to support torque tube and watch engine to firewall clearance while lowering. This is the second time I have done this and both times I left the Transmission and T-tube in/on car. Took me about 10 hours as I have no lift, no creeper, and no help.
I just blew my Differential again early this year on my 07 manual Vette. I had no problem removing the diff w diff brace while the Trans and TT was still connected. I had to remove X-pipe and tunnel plate so i may lower assembly enough to access all bolts. Make sure to support torque tube and watch engine to firewall clearance while lowering. This is the second time I have done this and both times I left the Transmission and T-tube in/on car. Took me about 10 hours as I have no lift, no creeper, and no help.
#11
Le Mans Master
#12
Melting Slicks
#13
Quickshift_C5 - Since we are talking about a C5 and they are not the same underneath as a C6, this does not apply then.
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Done it many times, just need to get the subframe out of the way. Support trans and remove the tunnel brace to lower everything enough to slide diff off trans output shaft while clearing tub and not hitting intake on firewall.
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Drifting
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Thank you for all the posts guys. My cars a C5, so we'll see how it goes. I hope to wrench on it some this weekend and I'll report back.
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#19
Drifting
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The part I messed with the most was getting the titanium muffler assemblies out. Seems basic, but working on jack stands didn't leave much room. I'd say the biggest obstacle was my unfamiliarity with the job. It will be easier and faster the next time. You'll have to follow all the instructions as if your removing the TT. This will allow you to lower the transmission enough to slide the diff off. Everything came apart very easy. I struggled with the slippery slope, how much to take on now versus later. My car has 30k miles. I chose to stick with the job that needed to be done (diff) versus taking on all the preventive maintenance that most recommend. I know this is a pay now or pay later choice. The cost of clutch, master cylinder, couplers, along with the time to make all these changes was a bit daunting.
Something I learned that I'll do different when its time to remove everything for a clutch job is the diff mount to the subframe. The shop manual says to unbolt the diff. This separates the driveline from the subframe. This made everything really unstable when lowering the parts. I will leave this connected when the entire driveline needs to be removed.
Part I was/am most nervous about is the brake lines. You do move these alot and maneuver them around. I unbolted them from the wheel well mounting location to give them a larger range of motion. I just always felt like i was going to bend/kink these.
Hope this helps. I still have reassembly in front of me which I always think in a bigger job. I tried to blue tape and label all electrical connections to I don't miss any when putting everything back together, there are quite a few.
#20
Drifting
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There isn't any one great youtube video either. I found myself watching these two the most
This video is tough to follow and the lighting is bad. But its one of the more complete step by steps.
and
This GRM video has some really good info, but doesn't show the work as its happening
This video is tough to follow and the lighting is bad. But its one of the more complete step by steps.
and
This GRM video has some really good info, but doesn't show the work as its happening
Last edited by Dan H.; 12-16-2018 at 07:42 AM.