Replacement or Original??
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Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '13-'14-'15-'16-'17
Replacement or Original??
When I bought my car I noticed that the cover for the jack compartment did not have a hole for gaining access. I looked at other cars of the same vintage and all of them had holes. My car appeared to have the original interior in it when I bought it. It was old and falling apart from sitting out in the sun too long. Is it possible that Chevrolet produced these access covers without the hole and installed them in some cars?? Maybe JohnZ knows.
Steve
Steve
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Missing Knockoffs ???
Unfortunately, cars that came with original knock off wheels (The original Kelsy Hayes wheels) may have been exchanged 
for steel wheels and caps. The knock off wheel "original " tire jacking instructions and cover with "hole" was also removed for a incorrect parts dept replacement.
Now to investigate, look at the spare tire carrier and see what kind of spare is there. Then measure the forward bolt length of the two bolts holding the front of the carrier. Original knock off wheel cars had longer bolts than the steel wheel cars as the wheels were 1/2 inch wider and would not close on the spare evenly.
for steel wheels and caps. The knock off wheel "original " tire jacking instructions and cover with "hole" was also removed for a incorrect parts dept replacement.Now to investigate, look at the spare tire carrier and see what kind of spare is there. Then measure the forward bolt length of the two bolts holding the front of the carrier. Original knock off wheel cars had longer bolts than the steel wheel cars as the wheels were 1/2 inch wider and would not close on the spare evenly.
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Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '13-'14-'15-'16-'17
Unfortunately, cars that came with original knock off wheels (The original Kelsy Hayes wheels) may have been exchanged for steel wheels and caps. The knock off wheel "original " tire jacking instructions and cover with "hole" was also removed for a incorrect parts dept replacement.
Now to investigate, look at the spare tire carrier and see what kind of spare is there. Then measure the forward bolt length of the two bolts holding the front of the carrier. Original knock off wheel cars had longer bolts than the steel wheel cars as the wheels were 1/2 inch wider and would not close on the spare evenly.
for steel wheels and caps. The knock off wheel "original " tire jacking instructions and cover with "hole" was also removed for a incorrect parts dept replacement.Now to investigate, look at the spare tire carrier and see what kind of spare is there. Then measure the forward bolt length of the two bolts holding the front of the carrier. Original knock off wheel cars had longer bolts than the steel wheel cars as the wheels were 1/2 inch wider and would not close on the spare evenly.
OK, I can agree that this may be a replacement but the carpeting on the cover matched the original interior and did not have a hole in it either. My car sat from 1972 to 1979 so the access cover would have had to have been replaced sometime between 66 and 72. You mention that the spare tire carrier had longer bolts if it had Knock Off wheels from the factory. How come they don't show a different tire carrier bolt in the replacement parts vendor catalogs, ie Paragon, LIC, etc.??? Or did I miss that in their catalogs and am just blowing smoke?
Steve
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The bolts on a car with knock offs was longer..here is a link.
http://ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=27000&dept_id=1693
http://ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=26953&dept_id=1687
http://ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=27000&dept_id=1693
http://ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=26953&dept_id=1687
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Melting Slicks
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St. Jude Donor '13-'14-'15-'16-'17
The bolts on a car with knock offs was longer..here is a link.
http://ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=27000&dept_id=1693
http://ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=26953&dept_id=1687
http://ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=27000&dept_id=1693
http://ecklers.com/product.asp?pf_id=26953&dept_id=1687
From memory when I put those damn things back, I believe that I have the short ones. Did not have the extended threads or the nut to adjust the length. So I doubt that my car came with knock off wheels unless they took the front bolts for the spare tire carrier also.
Steve
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St. Jude Donor '07
On a mid-year, only a polished SS ring that captured both the carpet and the jack cover board was used. The should not be a bolt and washer to hold it down. The hole was for putting a finger through to lift the board up and out. Gravity and friction held the board down and in place.
Bill
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Steve,
My 66 also has a solid board over the jack compartment. I'm the fourth owner and have had it since 83. It was very original with under 40K miles when I bought it. Not saying both of our boards were not replaced just that yours isn't the only one without a finger hole.
Mike
My 66 also has a solid board over the jack compartment. I'm the fourth owner and have had it since 83. It was very original with under 40K miles when I bought it. Not saying both of our boards were not replaced just that yours isn't the only one without a finger hole.
Mike
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St. Jude Donor '13-'14-'15-'16-'17
Steve,
My 66 also has a solid board over the jack compartment. I'm the fourth owner and have had it since 83. It was very original with under 40K miles when I bought it. Not saying both of our boards were not replaced just that yours isn't the only one without a finger hole.
Mike
My 66 also has a solid board over the jack compartment. I'm the fourth owner and have had it since 83. It was very original with under 40K miles when I bought it. Not saying both of our boards were not replaced just that yours isn't the only one without a finger hole.
Mike
Is your car a low serial #? Mine is just a fraction out of first quarter. Maybe it's possible that the guy who punched holes got pie-eyed one day and forgot to put the holes in. Mine only had 43,000 on it when I got it so would be hard to believe that they would have replaced already at that time.
Steve
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Is your car a low serial #? Mine is just a fraction out of first quarter. Maybe it's possible that the guy who punched holes got pie-eyed one day and forgot to put the holes in. Mine only had 43,000 on it when I got it so would be hard to believe that they would have replaced already at that time.
Steve
Is your car a low serial #? Mine is just a fraction out of first quarter. Maybe it's possible that the guy who punched holes got pie-eyed one day and forgot to put the holes in. Mine only had 43,000 on it when I got it so would be hard to believe that they would have replaced already at that time.
Steve
Its not like the guys on the assembly line cut the boards out and drilled holes in them...they were supplied by a company called J.P. Stevens & Co. Mine still has the dated sticker on the back with the part number and what color carpet it had. If yours is original it should have the jacking instructions, the posi sticker and the JP Stevens tag with the date etc on it....or at least reminants of them.
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I'am with you John
I have never seen even a repo jack board "without" the hole. They used to sell the board material, and you had to install your own carpet and transfer the "ring" to the already cut finger hole. That was in the early 80's.
Jack covers always seemed to get extra "radio speakers" installed in the originals, and that is my guess why yours is different.
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Steve,
My 66 is 109207; December 65 build date. No hole in the board, no hole in the rug. Really have no idea as to the origin or orginality, although there weren't many previous owners or miles on mine when I bought it in Monterey in 1983. I just always assumed the board was replaced since, until reading your string, I never encountered another midyear without a hole. Anyone else out there with an early 66 and no finger hole for the back floor board?
Mike
Mike
My 66 is 109207; December 65 build date. No hole in the board, no hole in the rug. Really have no idea as to the origin or orginality, although there weren't many previous owners or miles on mine when I bought it in Monterey in 1983. I just always assumed the board was replaced since, until reading your string, I never encountered another midyear without a hole. Anyone else out there with an early 66 and no finger hole for the back floor board?
Mike
Mike
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St. Jude Donor '13-'14-'15-'16-'17
Steve,
My 66 is 109207; December 65 build date. No hole in the board, no hole in the rug. Really have no idea as to the origin or orginality, although there weren't many previous owners or miles on mine when I bought it in Monterey in 1983. I just always assumed the board was replaced since, until reading your string, I never encountered another midyear without a hole. Anyone else out there with an early 66 and no finger hole for the back floor board?
Mike
Mike
My 66 is 109207; December 65 build date. No hole in the board, no hole in the rug. Really have no idea as to the origin or orginality, although there weren't many previous owners or miles on mine when I bought it in Monterey in 1983. I just always assumed the board was replaced since, until reading your string, I never encountered another midyear without a hole. Anyone else out there with an early 66 and no finger hole for the back floor board?
Mike
Mike
Mike,
Both cars were built in Dec 65. Mine was somewhere around the 10th. I just assumed that mine was original also as the car only had 43,000 on it when I got it. But I could be wrong. It could be a replacement.
Steve
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From: going faster miles an hour...with the radio on in browns mills new jersey
Same question as was asked earlier:
Do the jack boards in question without the holes in them have labels on them?
This is from my early January '66:
Do the jack boards in question without the holes in them have labels on them?
This is from my early January '66:
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I don't think mine does but would have to look. My question is still, how did the carpet match without the hole in it. It was the same as the floor and rear compartment. If it was black or some color that the dye lots weren't that far off I would agree. But saddle is tough to match under any circumstances. But you are probably correct, I will consider it as a replacement unit.
Steve
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Maybe all the carpet was replaced at the same time. Sometimes things that were restored by previous owners start to look original due to time and wear