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Old Mar 2, 2002 | 11:53 PM
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I'll give you something to think about, my block has never been stamped so how can I be restamping if it was never stamped to begin with. Restamping is the job of taking old numbers off and restamping with different numbers. When I bought car from original owner he told me that it had the original motor but he wasn't aware that the motor was replaced by GM, he assumed it was repaired not replaced when he took it in back in 1968, he thought the car had original motor and had no idea what numbers matching was. One cannot say that the car has a restamped block and talking to the original owner will verify that it is in fact original, no one can dispute the car when backed up with supporting documents. The car will have a huge reserve at auction.
How come these stories always sound the same?
"He wasn't aware", "replaced by GM","had no idea","he assumed","he thought"

I guess ignorance is bliss for the greedy.


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Old Mar 3, 2002 | 12:28 AM
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This is one of the threads which motivated me to start a poll re: originality. Come and vote!!

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=248975
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Old Mar 3, 2002 | 01:16 AM
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I will omit a few sentences and leave the part that counts.


"I'll give you something to think about,"

" When I bought car from original owner he told me that it had the original motor but he wasn't aware that the motor was replaced by GM,"

"he assumed it was repaired not replaced when he took it in back in 1968,"

"he thought the car had original motor ":cry

One cannot say that the car has a restamped block and talking to the original owner will verify that it is in fact original, :nono:

(Oh, because he still does not know?)

"no one can dispute the car when backed up with supporting documents."

(Like the casting code? What about the documents from GM in 1968
showing the engine was replaced?)
As I mentioned, I have a car in the same boat, a 65 K code fastback.
Its even got the orig crank/heads/ everything.
Just the block was replaced with a bare block (a Mexican 302
in this case, using the orig 289 hi-po crank (So its still a 289 not a 302)
crank counter balancer, harmonic balancer/rods/ everything but the block and pistons.
But that's the whole point. The car I own lost its orig. block. Its gone!
Its cant come back!
It was toasted at the Ford dealership when some mechanic decided to take it for a test drive during a tune-up! (Solid lifter engines do not care for missed shifts over 6500 rpm)
That was on July 21st 1972 the car had 37,544 miles on it, today it has 78,916. (I have put less than 10,000 miles on the car in the past 17 years)
Am the 2nd owner, 1st owner was 82 years old when I bought the car.
Took me 2 years to talk him into selling it to me.
That's documentation. Have tons more on my Vette.
Not sure what type you are referring too?
That's what makes truly orig. engined, Hi-PO muscle car's rare,
Most were toasted & tossed. Fakes just belittle the few real survivors left.

"The car will have a huge reserve at auction."

That kind of sums it all up! Been in this hobby a long time.
Have owned several rare cars, but have never done it for the $$$$$$$.
Orig. cars are just that, orig. And there is a small, sick group of us out here
that can appreciate them. The guy that buys at an auction could probably care less. He has more dollars than sense anyway.
Pretty soon, all 60's Muscle cars will have thier origional engines!
Get ready for thousands of "Real HEMI's" all Vettes will be L88's,
All Mustangs will be Shelbys, All Camaro's will be you get the idea........
The point is, where do you draw the line?
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Old Mar 3, 2002 | 08:26 PM
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Default Re: 427 Block (L71rat)

I'll give you something to think about, my block has never been stamped so how can I be restamping if it was never stamped to begin with. Restamping is the job of taking old numbers off and restamping with different numbers. When I bought car from original owner he told me that it had the original motor but he wasn't aware that the motor was replaced by GM, he assumed it was repaired not replaced when he took it in back in 1968, he thought the car had original motor and had no idea what numbers matching was. One cannot say that the car has a restamped block and talking to the original owner will verify that it is in fact original, no one can dispute the car when backed up with supporting documents. The car will have a huge reserve at auction.
Just curious, are you going to represent the car as an original motor car or with a correct replacement one?
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Old Mar 3, 2002 | 11:19 PM
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To answer the original post , I believe that a two bolt, 66 block, std bore with no sleeves ,no welds is worth between $1400 to $1800, if you pick this thing up for less than a thou you are doing well. These things are becoming very difficult to find whether out of a impala , vette or boat. These blocks are identical except for the stamp which tells you the car it came out or counter exchange. Personally I would never deck a block with a corvette VIN, in case the matching car turns up in the future. Most of the time people restoring their cars will deck the block and leave it blank or restamp it so whatever was on there to begin with does not matter.
As far as stamping practices go, this is a very touchy subject and this being a forum of discussion I will give my opinion .
Corvettes came from the factory with VIN derivatives stamped on the block. To do a proper resto these numbers must be present. I do not like the Restamping method of numbers restoration because the block is milled and the broach lines have to be duplicated. The correct dated block I found had a virgin pad and was striked for the first time. This is not a restamp. The block is original, the pad is original and so are the numbers , at auction, bidders will draw their own conclusions as to what their looking at because of the large sums that are involved. This is a restored car, there is no need to represent it any further, I don't have to play the part of MR.salesman, whoever does not want it are free to bid on other cars.
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Old Mar 3, 2002 | 11:47 PM
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71 you are a real RAT. :mad
SOME PORE BASTAGE WILL BE :cry
DUE TO YOUR HANDY WORK.
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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 12:47 AM
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restoration, # matching, stamping, restamping, money, they are all part of the corvette hobby, one has to accept it and move on, no one is going to change it.
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Old Mar 4, 2002 | 07:35 PM
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L71, you are correct it is not a restamp but it is not the original motor either. So is that how the car will be represented?
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