C1 - 3x2 Setup - Why?
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[/QUOTE]here's a question--what do you think was on this car before the 3x2 went on?....it has 7 fin v/covers. i'd say it could have been a 2x4 judging by the water neck and upper hose. fuelie??...can't see the throttle lever though...
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and I am sure had some real headwork done, but I do not believe he had a roller but rather a solid lifter camshaft. He was running a big gear to say the least. His times were consistent 12s, the records are there.
His 12 second times are in the record books and the car we ran a 61 283/270 also ran in the 12s (although no matter how hard we tried we always were a few tenths behind him). I would agree that off the factory floor it would probably run in the 14s (15s and you should probably take up another hobby) but if you are going to run factory stock why even waste your time. You may as well spend your time polishing your hubcaps while telling yourself you drive a "sports car".
If you were really a participating racer back then you'd surely know that "real headwork and roller cams" were not allowed in stock class.
If you wanna' know how much horsepower a car is putting out, look at the trap speed, not the ET.
You sure do know a lot of VIP's judging by all the names you dropped.
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I put a '57 Buick nailhead in my '53 back in '59 with three 97's, and it required a hole in the hood. A year later a 6-71 with a pair of WCFB's replaced that setup, with a much larger hole , but in those days, who cared? 
, but in those days, who cared?
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If you were really a participating racer back then you'd surely know that "real headwork and roller cams" were not allowed in stock class.
If you wanna' know how much horsepower a car is putting out, look at the trap speed, not the ET.
You sure do know a lot of VIP's judging by all the names you dropped.
If you wanna' know how much horsepower a car is putting out, look at the trap speed, not the ET.
You sure do know a lot of VIP's judging by all the names you dropped.
As to the VPs I know when I was born my grandfather was the world's largest car collector which opened a lot of doors. I also have spent a considerable time doing research which has put me in touch which a lot of pretty neat people, and I have only mentioned a few, but the difference is I can back everything I have said.
As to your attitude-screw you-Jim
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Just because they were not allowed does not mean that it did not occur. We did it and so did a lof of other guys but you had to be careful during points meets when you could be caught. Roger said he ran a 097 in the car just as the article said so I know this is what they were running at Indy, asa to no head work don't be so sure of what you say-it happened.
As to the VPs I know when I was born my grandfather was the world's largest car collector which opened a lot of doors. I also have spent a considerable time doing research which has put me in touch which a lot of pretty neat people, and I have only mentioned a few, but the difference is I can back everything I have said.
As to your attitude-screw you-Jim
As to the VPs I know when I was born my grandfather was the world's largest car collector which opened a lot of doors. I also have spent a considerable time doing research which has put me in touch which a lot of pretty neat people, and I have only mentioned a few, but the difference is I can back everything I have said.
As to your attitude-screw you-Jim
Did you polish the hubcaps on the cars in your grandfathers car collection or just on the race car?
Don't get yer panties in twist, my great, great grandfather was a Cherokee indian chief and he didn't have a car collection.
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Jim, ha ha ha!!!....You have to admit: As to the VPs I know when I was born my grandfather was the world's largest car collector which opened a lot of doors. Stop it....your killing me!!!
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Mike M I never said anything about factory stock but the 2-4s was a pretty decent setup and proved itself on the track. Roger Sinistri is still around and he was the tuner on Lombardo's car and after corresponding with his son Roger I do not believe there was anything real exotic on the car other than an extremely well tuned 283/270 F/S. It is was punched out to 292 and I am sure had some real headwork done, but I do not believe he had a roller but rather a solid lifter camshaft. He was running a big gear to say the least. His times were consistent 12s, the records are there.
His 12 second times are in the record books and the car we ran a 61 283/270 also ran in the 12s (although no matter how hard we tried we always were a few tenths behind him). I would agree that off the factory floor it would probably run in the 14s (15s and you should probably take up another hobby) but if you are going to run factory stock why even waste your time. You may as well spend your time polishing your hubcaps while telling yourself you drive a "sports car".
His 12 second times are in the record books and the car we ran a 61 283/270 also ran in the 12s (although no matter how hard we tried we always were a few tenths behind him). I would agree that off the factory floor it would probably run in the 14s (15s and you should probably take up another hobby) but if you are going to run factory stock why even waste your time. You may as well spend your time polishing your hubcaps while telling yourself you drive a "sports car".
Lombardo would have to have had a Factory non roller cam to compete in stock class. Roger Sinistri, Jr. sent me a video of the Lombardo car competing "back in the day". It had incredible launch characteristics which accounted for his domination in F/S. Roger, Sr. was no slouch, either, in the tuning department. The 270 version, I believe, was faster than the FI motor.
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Having you all here on this tri-power subject, what were the lifts and duration of the hot cams back then? I'm comparing to new nostalgic camshafts offered today. I know the duntov "097" is an all time favorite, and Isky was quite popular. Does anyone offer any reproduction of these old school grinds? I'm assisting my brother-in-law with his 283 tri-powered 32 ford Rat Rod truck project. He has a Muncie 4 speed and a 370 ratio ford 9'' rear. Any suggestions, solid, hydraulic, flat tapped preferably.
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Having you all here on this tri-power subject, what were the lifts and duration of the hot cams back then? I'm comparing to new nostalgic camshafts offered today. I know the duntov "097" is an all time favorite, and Isky was quite popular. Does anyone offer any reproduction of these old school grinds? I'm assisting my brother-in-law with his 283 tri-powered 32 ford Rat Rod truck project. He has a Muncie 4 speed and a 370 ratio ford 9'' rear. Any suggestions, solid, hydraulic, flat tapped preferably.
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Having you all here on this tri-power subject, what were the lifts and duration of the hot cams back then? I'm comparing to new nostalgic camshafts offered today. I know the duntov "097" is an all time favorite, and Isky was quite popular. Does anyone offer any reproduction of these old school grinds?
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He is looking something a little more radical then the duntov "097" but streetable if there is such an animal. Do they make something between the 097 & the L79 cam? Oh, and I know one is solid lifter cam and the other is hydraulic.
I appreciate the suggestions!
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I appreciate the suggestions!
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He is looking something a little more radical then the duntov "097" but streetable if there is such an animal. Do they make something between the 097 & the L79 cam? Oh, and I know one is solid lifter cam and the other is hydraulic.
I appreciate the suggestions!
rustylugnuts
I appreciate the suggestions!
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