'65 Muncie side cover opened...missing something?
Racer
Joined: Jan 2004
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From: Everfrost Second Life
Front Bearings are typically $22 to $30 from most trans specialists. You can purvchase whole rebuild kits from the mid 100's to mid 200's depending on quality and origin of parts. Do yourself a favor and avoid bearing supply stores when it comes to transmissions....
Burning Brakes
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 859
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From: Magnolia Texas
mechron,
Guess I was confused by his posts. In the first post he says "What else should I do now that it's open? Any suggestions?" That certainly didn't give me the impression he was being "guided" by someone that has "probably built and rebuilt more muncies (and saganws, T-10s, borg warners and the 70s super T-10s) than both of you have ever seen together at my shop".
I didn't realize he had an expert doing the work for him and was trying to keep him from buying parts and then finding he couldn't put them in.
Certainly sorry I offended you and will be very careful to not comment on this any further.
Steve
Guess I was confused by his posts. In the first post he says "What else should I do now that it's open? Any suggestions?" That certainly didn't give me the impression he was being "guided" by someone that has "probably built and rebuilt more muncies (and saganws, T-10s, borg warners and the 70s super T-10s) than both of you have ever seen together at my shop".
I didn't realize he had an expert doing the work for him and was trying to keep him from buying parts and then finding he couldn't put them in.
Certainly sorry I offended you and will be very careful to not comment on this any further.
Steve
Le Mans Master
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 5,474
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From: Houston Texas
St. Jude Donor '10-'12-'13
HOLY CRAP, Dan H and 67*427, you have scared the crap out of Dokk. he is my buddy, this is his first muncie teardown. i have probably built and rebuilt more muncies (and saganws, T-10s, borg warners and the 70s super T-10s) than both of you have ever seen together at my shop. no offence is intended but Dokk in in good hands. being retired now i just do an occasional 4, 5 or 6 speed for fun...
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have either of you built a modded 60s muncie for road racing?? i have built several. a better question is have either of you ever built a muncie "CRASH BOX" that was used in gassers for drag racing in the late 60s-early 70s. i have built several. they were based on motorcycle transmissions. toss the shifting dogs, toss the synchros, machine every other spline off the sliders, grind every other v notch off the gears the sliders engage to. VIOLA, a motorcycle trans, or a CRASH BOX. you could row smoothly through all 4 gears at full throttle without even touching the clutch pedal.
as for the front bearing, Dokks muncie is a wide ratio. that front bearing is a piece of cake to replace. the input shaft will NOT come out through the front, you would have to completely disassemble the trans, pull the front bearing as we may do, then pull the input shaft with the bearing removed back and out the side cover hole.
as for just replacing the front bearings you guys are all all wet.
. have either of you built a modded 60s muncie for road racing?? i have built several. a better question is have either of you ever built a muncie "CRASH BOX" that was used in gassers for drag racing in the late 60s-early 70s. i have built several. they were based on motorcycle transmissions. toss the shifting dogs, toss the synchros, machine every other spline off the sliders, grind every other v notch off the gears the sliders engage to. VIOLA, a motorcycle trans, or a CRASH BOX. you could row smoothly through all 4 gears at full throttle without even touching the clutch pedal.
as for the front bearing, Dokks muncie is a wide ratio. that front bearing is a piece of cake to replace. the input shaft will NOT come out through the front, you would have to completely disassemble the trans, pull the front bearing as we may do, then pull the input shaft with the bearing removed back and out the side cover hole.
as for just replacing the front bearings you guys are all all wet.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Sep 2008
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From: Lake Minnetonka, Mn
2018 C1 of Year Finalist
Listen to Steve. Nothing is bullet proof---nothing. For a couple of bucks Steve can have that tranny freshened up in no time. Listen to someone who has had experience with them. Be glad Steve is there to offer suggestions and help. For less than $200 you can have a major mechanical component of your car operating at 100%. Take a crowbar to your wallet.
Last edited by Dan Hampton; Dec 16, 2009 at 05:48 PM.
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Burning Brakes
Joined: Jun 2008
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From: Seattle area, WA (On the Eastside)
"Take a crowbar to your wallet."
LOL, well put. My *** is so tight right now, I can suck a brick out of a brick wall with it if I had to.
I, me, Astrodokk, do surely appreciate all the comments, opinions, and suggestions from all the posters here. That's why I ask for help, to learn. Ultimately, I make an informed decision after garnering information. To be fair, mechron usually tells me to take more stuff apart and rebuild it when everything's easier, than I would like to hear, as most of you have as well. It is I who is lazy, and since he makes me do all the labor and he just stands there watching and observing with that smirk of his, I rebel and don't want to overdo it unless I hear from others that it's a good idea, much like a doctor's second opinion. But usually I understand and do the work anyway, especially when others have forced...I mean, encouraged and persuaded me to do so. He was just noticing my apparent lack of enthusiasm about doing the bearing and I know he thinks it should be replaced at this time, and I played on the fear factor, ha ha ha, which drove him nuts. Nuts, I say! You should have seen him! Ha ha.
OK, well, if that damn bearing is only 50 something bucks, then I might as well get it. I'm sure glad it's a wide ration though, otherwise I don't think I would. See what a little info does?
LOL, well put. My *** is so tight right now, I can suck a brick out of a brick wall with it if I had to.
I, me, Astrodokk, do surely appreciate all the comments, opinions, and suggestions from all the posters here. That's why I ask for help, to learn. Ultimately, I make an informed decision after garnering information. To be fair, mechron usually tells me to take more stuff apart and rebuild it when everything's easier, than I would like to hear, as most of you have as well. It is I who is lazy, and since he makes me do all the labor and he just stands there watching and observing with that smirk of his, I rebel and don't want to overdo it unless I hear from others that it's a good idea, much like a doctor's second opinion. But usually I understand and do the work anyway, especially when others have forced...I mean, encouraged and persuaded me to do so. He was just noticing my apparent lack of enthusiasm about doing the bearing and I know he thinks it should be replaced at this time, and I played on the fear factor, ha ha ha, which drove him nuts. Nuts, I say! You should have seen him! Ha ha.
OK, well, if that damn bearing is only 50 something bucks, then I might as well get it. I'm sure glad it's a wide ration though, otherwise I don't think I would. See what a little info does?
Safety Car
Joined: Feb 2003
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From: St. Joseph Mo
Care to explain why?
Le Mans Master
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 5,662
Likes: 2,344
From: Lake Minnetonka, Mn
2018 C1 of Year Finalist
HOLY CRAP, Dan H and 67*427, you have scared the crap out of Dokk. he is my buddy, this is his first muncie teardown. i have probably built and rebuilt more muncies (and saganws, T-10s, borg warners and the 70s super T-10s) than both of you have ever seen together at my shop. no offence is intended but Dokk in in good hands. being retired now i just do an occasional 4, 5 or 6 speed for fun....
have either of you built a modded 60s muncie for road racing?? i have built several. a better question is have either of you ever built a muncie "CRASH BOX" that was used in gassers for drag racing in the late 60s-early 70s. i have built several. they were based on motorcycle transmissions. toss the shifting dogs, toss the synchros, machine every other spline off the sliders, grind every other v notch off the gears the sliders engage to. VIOLA, a motorcycle trans, or a CRASH BOX. you could row smoothly through all 4 gears at full throttle without even touching the clutch pedal.
as for the front bearing, Dokks muncie is a wide ratio. that front bearing is a piece of cake to replace. the input shaft will NOT come out through the front, you would have to completely disassemble the trans, pull the front bearing as we may do, then pull the input shaft with the bearing removed back and out the side cover hole.
as for just replacing the front bearings you guys are all all wet.
. have either of you built a modded 60s muncie for road racing?? i have built several. a better question is have either of you ever built a muncie "CRASH BOX" that was used in gassers for drag racing in the late 60s-early 70s. i have built several. they were based on motorcycle transmissions. toss the shifting dogs, toss the synchros, machine every other spline off the sliders, grind every other v notch off the gears the sliders engage to. VIOLA, a motorcycle trans, or a CRASH BOX. you could row smoothly through all 4 gears at full throttle without even touching the clutch pedal.
as for the front bearing, Dokks muncie is a wide ratio. that front bearing is a piece of cake to replace. the input shaft will NOT come out through the front, you would have to completely disassemble the trans, pull the front bearing as we may do, then pull the input shaft with the bearing removed back and out the side cover hole.
as for just replacing the front bearings you guys are all all wet.
Nope. Haven't begun to do all the trick stuff that you referenced in your previous post. Good for you. I wish I had known an experienced trans magician like yourself when growing up. I would be a smarter person today--no doubt about it.
But look. Given your talent, replacing that bearing and performing a modicum of due diligence on the rest of the box while out of the car has to be a good idea, right? It would be a good learning experience, too, or am I missing something here?
Drifting
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,671
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From: california
mechron,
Guess I was confused by his posts. In the first post he says "What else should I do now that it's open? Any suggestions?" That certainly didn't give me the impression he was being "guided" by someone that has "probably built and rebuilt more muncies (and saganws, T-10s, borg warners and the 70s super T-10s) than both of you have ever seen together at my shop".
I didn't realize he had an expert doing the work for him and was trying to keep him from buying parts and then finding he couldn't put them in.
Certainly sorry I offended you and will be very careful to not comment on this any further.
Steve
Guess I was confused by his posts. In the first post he says "What else should I do now that it's open? Any suggestions?" That certainly didn't give me the impression he was being "guided" by someone that has "probably built and rebuilt more muncies (and saganws, T-10s, borg warners and the 70s super T-10s) than both of you have ever seen together at my shop".
I didn't realize he had an expert doing the work for him and was trying to keep him from buying parts and then finding he couldn't put them in.
Certainly sorry I offended you and will be very careful to not comment on this any further.
Steve
.PS Steve: it would be nice if DOKK would quit beating the holy crap out of his car and the 500+HP small block he built, but i don't see that happening any time soon, so look for more broken parts threads in the future!!!!..
. he already has go faster parts coming from all over...
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