C4 Split Window
#21
Burning Brakes
Well, I think these guys that hatched this concept deserve applause for coming at this vettrod, proclassic, ( or whatever label you want to pin on it ) idea from a different angle.
There is a lot of merit in what they have come up with, and it appears it certainly would be a cost effective solution to achieve a very nice vehicle. Good on them I reckon.
It's just a bit frustrating to see all these negative comments from some people, sure it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it sure is an interesting way to capitalise on the current trend towards modernising the style of the old vettes with newer technology.
It keeps our hobby alive, and make it more interesting.
Just my two pennies worth
Ross
There is a lot of merit in what they have come up with, and it appears it certainly would be a cost effective solution to achieve a very nice vehicle. Good on them I reckon.
It's just a bit frustrating to see all these negative comments from some people, sure it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it sure is an interesting way to capitalise on the current trend towards modernising the style of the old vettes with newer technology.
It keeps our hobby alive, and make it more interesting.
Just my two pennies worth
Ross
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Well, I think these guys that hatched this concept deserve applause for coming at this vettrod, proclassic, ( or whatever label you want to pin on it ) idea from a different angle.
There is a lot of merit in what they have come up with, and it appears it certainly would be a cost effective solution to achieve a very nice vehicle. Good on them I reckon.
It's just a bit frustrating to see all these negative comments from some people, sure it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it sure is an interesting way to capitalise on the current trend towards modernising the style of the old vettes with newer technology.
It keeps our hobby alive, and make it more interesting.
Just my two pennies worth
Ross
There is a lot of merit in what they have come up with, and it appears it certainly would be a cost effective solution to achieve a very nice vehicle. Good on them I reckon.
It's just a bit frustrating to see all these negative comments from some people, sure it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it sure is an interesting way to capitalise on the current trend towards modernising the style of the old vettes with newer technology.
It keeps our hobby alive, and make it more interesting.
Just my two pennies worth
Ross
Plasticman
#28
Burning Brakes
Love 'em or hate them, at least they are different to the many 5 spoke variants that have been around forever, and indeed the modern corvette wheels found on many vettrods today. Nothing wrong with using modern type wheels if that is your taste, plus let's face it, it's much easier matching your offsets, and they are a bunch cheaper than commissioning a one off set of wheels.
These people have thought outside the square and come up with a real different alternative, and albeit a quite expensive one I would think.
Again, I applaud these guys for their work, but it must be disapointing for them to read some of these negative comments, and forum members 'bagging' their creation.
Keeping comments constructive and positive is a real good thing for our hobby I reckon.
Again, just my further two pennies worth.
Ross
#29
Melting Slicks
Yes, it is my opinion. I do like it and I don't care about offset or what it may look like versus something else.
The body is a work of art and somebody did a nice job to put forth an updated underside. The wheels missed the mark for me. Every rim nowadays does not need to be 20" tall and have some crazy offset.
A nickel drops in the bucket......
The body is a work of art and somebody did a nice job to put forth an updated underside. The wheels missed the mark for me. Every rim nowadays does not need to be 20" tall and have some crazy offset.
A nickel drops in the bucket......
#32
Burning Brakes
Yes, it is my opinion. I do like it and I don't care about offset or what it may look like versus something else.
The body is a work of art and somebody did a nice job to put forth an updated underside. The wheels missed the mark for me. Every rim nowadays does not need to be 20" tall and have some crazy offset.
A nickel drops in the bucket......
The body is a work of art and somebody did a nice job to put forth an updated underside. The wheels missed the mark for me. Every rim nowadays does not need to be 20" tall and have some crazy offset.
A nickel drops in the bucket......
Can't say I agree the body is a work of art. It's simply an engineering challenge to get a replica body to fit a modern chassis. Clever, yes, artistic?:- maybe back in 1963 when the shape was first released.
I'm not a fan of big diameter wheels either, but it seems a trend that's carried over from many modern rods. Rubber band type tyres make for a real hard ride, expensive to buy, and too easy to damge rims over potholes.We get far too many of those on our roads down here in Aus.
Be interesting to see what these cars sell for, C4 cars are not expensive, replica bodies are much more affordable than an original. Clearly they have designed this car to utilise much of the C4 to keep costs to a minimum.
I think most would agree, an opportunity for improvement would be to do some further work on the dash to closer resemble the real thing.
Based on the many clever things these guys have done to date, it wouldn't be a big leap to achieve this.
Like a post further back in this thread, I'd like to see how they tackled the birdcage issue to maintain structural integrity.
Based on what else is out there, this concept should be amongst the most cost effective out there, and push most of all the right buttons for the enthusiast looking to have a modern ride with classic looks.
Certainly, I'd personally rather have this concept than a rebodied C5:- modern windscreen rake and C5 dash just doesn't to it for me in an old classic body.
#33
Race Director
I like it a lot. I have seen C4 suspension on C2's before that make the wheels stick out too far. Did they widen the body or use a lot of set back on the wheels?
#34
Melting Slicks
If you will go out and take a look at stock C2 wheels with hub cabs or original or reproduction Knockoff/Bolt-on wheels, I believe you will see that they have about the same amount of wheel hoop/outer rim exposure as the EVOD turbine wheels too. So from a visual prospective the EVOD wheels are a good Resto knock off design of Original OME wheels.
As far as the 18"/20" wheel and tire combination on car as shown, it is not the only size are even wheel design that a person could choose to use on their conversion.
Appears that any stock, or aftermarket wheel designed to fit a C4 can be used on this car. How ever, it's my guess that without going to expense of loss of braking power due to downsizing brake rotors and calipers, the smallest wheel size that can be used is a 17".
Based on how many members here that are going to 17" wheels on there stock vette, that I haven't seen any one bitch about them looking bad on members cars, an owner could choose that size wheel and depending on tire size have about same amount of sidewall rubber as a 17" tire that will fit inside stock C2 wheel well.
To me at least, this so called wheel look problem being pushed here is a non issue. That only leaves the interior issue.
My Aussie friend has done a good job of trying to explain why to a C4 owner wanting a different exterior look but not want the expense are for that matter feel the need to have a completely stock look to interior, find fault with it.
I know that 99% of C2 resto mods don't have stock dash gage look and most don't have stock seats either. This company at least to me did a good job of trying to blend C4 interior and C2 interior together with minimum conversion cost to customer.
By the way, it is a 63 Split Window Retro body design, so why would you use 65-67 front fender vent designs instead of 63-64?
Last edited by Poorhousenext; 01-05-2010 at 06:13 PM.
#35
Burning Brakes
Right on Poorhouse.
Why indeed would you install later side front fender vents when you are replicating a '63?
Wheel explanation excellent.
I'm building a C5Z06/'63 SWC down here and I'm using a similar design wheel made by Dragway Wheels. However whilst I've changed to offsets to suit my project, I've kept the original 18" diameter at the rears and 17" at the front so as not to mess with the C5 computers throwing up codes which I have been told can be a problem. Also, whilst I personally really like the EVOD wheels on this car we are discussing, I too, am not all that keen on 20" and 19"'s.
The only other area of conjecture that seems to stimilate some debate is the interior.
Having spent some over 400 hours completing hand fabricating a likeness of the C2 dash in our project I can well understand why they have opted to do what they have done. It looks 'OK' and would be real cost effective.
Clearly, these guys have the skills to fabricate a more original looking dash, perhaps they should consider this, and offer it as an option to those that are not happy with their current offering.
Why indeed would you install later side front fender vents when you are replicating a '63?
Wheel explanation excellent.
I'm building a C5Z06/'63 SWC down here and I'm using a similar design wheel made by Dragway Wheels. However whilst I've changed to offsets to suit my project, I've kept the original 18" diameter at the rears and 17" at the front so as not to mess with the C5 computers throwing up codes which I have been told can be a problem. Also, whilst I personally really like the EVOD wheels on this car we are discussing, I too, am not all that keen on 20" and 19"'s.
The only other area of conjecture that seems to stimilate some debate is the interior.
Having spent some over 400 hours completing hand fabricating a likeness of the C2 dash in our project I can well understand why they have opted to do what they have done. It looks 'OK' and would be real cost effective.
Clearly, these guys have the skills to fabricate a more original looking dash, perhaps they should consider this, and offer it as an option to those that are not happy with their current offering.
#36
Why are you asking this question, the picture shows 63-64 front vent design, not a 65-67 design? If anything, the initial photos showed a 63-64 body with a 67 hood scoop - which in my mind is just as aesthetically challenged.
#37
Melting Slicks
As far as the 67 hood on the 63, that could be because starting in 1967 that as always been the most common body mod to C2. Someone might want it as an option so they showed car with one.
Original owner of my 66 installed one on car back in 68.
Aesthetically, the 67 Big Block hood design complements that of C2's front fender design.
#38
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For some reason, I don't hate it. I don't care for the wheels though.
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