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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 08:36 PM
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I recently purchased a 67 w/ 427/435HP original engine. I am wondering what success people have had with different gas additives. So far, I have been trying Gunk Lead additive which is all I have been able to find and a couple different Octane boosters.
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I think some have had success with a build-up of crud inside the carb using the additives.

Why are you using the stuff or what are you trying to accomplish?
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About a gallon of leaded racing fuel per tank of gas will work.
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 09:03 PM
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trying to avoid engine knock and burning up valve guides because the engine is original and supposed to have leaded gas and higher octane than I can buy.
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Where can you get leaded race fuel?
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Normally at the drag strip, race track, or at a fuel dealer. If you ask a few racers, they can give you information. The octane boost from a relatively small amount of leaded fuel is significant. I seem to recall that when the octane boost manufacturers say one point of octane increase, they are saying 0.1 increase. If you don't need the lead, there are a number of chemicals that will increase the octane. I'd just stick with the race fuel if you can get it.
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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Thanks. Will see if I can find it in my area.
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 09:48 PM
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Anyone remember "White Gas"? Al W.
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Old Jan 3, 2010 | 09:50 PM
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Anyone remember "White Gas"? Al W.
Yeah, but haven't seen any in my area for many years . . . . . . ..

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White gas is gasoline without the lead, which is all gas sold in the last 20+ years. Just retired 31 years as a chemical engineer in an ExxonMobil Refinery. Forget about additives from AutoZone etc. Those small amounts won't make much difference in octane.
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Amoco. Seems like it was about 110 octane? It would also work in Coleman lanterns and stoves.
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Originally Posted by mrtexas
White gas is gasoline without the lead, which is all gas sold in the last 20+ years. Just retired 31 years as a chemical engineer in an ExxonMobil Refinery. Forget about additives from AutoZone etc. Those small amounts won't make much difference in octane.
You would know better than most, but I seem to recall that tolulene would work. I had a website on another computer that had recipes for several homemade octane boosters. Consensus on the another performance website was that it was too risky to mix your own.
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Originally Posted by RobMorgan
trying to avoid engine knock and burning up valve guides because the engine is original and supposed to have leaded gas and higher octane than I can buy.
the tetra ethyl lead used in the past was primarily mixed for spark knock and it did raise octane levels, however the stuff burns really dirty and it is a myth that it helped with valve seat and guide wear...original bb guides were not the greatest material and wore out of tolerance within a few thousand miles on most engines anyway, but they kept on delivering great power....you dont need the lead for better wear on your components and the mill will burn cleaner with out it which is a great benefit on an original mill....i would simply be sure the pcv was working and try a tank of todays fuel straight ....see how it runs...if it pings, use some leaded fuel or change the dizzy curve, although that will no doubt hurt performance...however, you may get lucky on the detonation because of the large overlap in the original cam...good luck..jmho....
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110 octane, that would be research octane leaded. Today octane is the average of motor method(simulates city driving) and research method(simulates highway driving) or road octane, unleaded of course. Today's research octane on super isn't much over 100 RON(3.18 gms(max) of lead per gallon could add 6-10 octane numbers). Toluene is a great octane booster as it blends at 120+ but where are you going to get some from?

Ethyl Alcohol is high too(umm ever hear of everclear?) EPA requiring alcohol in gasoline is causing the economics of refining to change as there is an excess of octane now and no way to cut back in other places due to EPA requiring ppm levels of sulfur max in gasoline. EPA doesn't know when to stop, air is pretty clean around here already! Many times unleaded regular is blended above the 87 minimum octane required.

Mmm, tetra ethyl lead smells sweet. We used to buy it by the railroad car. It was so poisonous it was never pumped, only vacuumed. A drop or two on you and you were dead. Glad I didn't work in the Ethyl Plant(gasoline blending section of plant was called this) and rather the office. I spoke many times to the Ethyl Corp. sales people. I have smelled tetra ethyl lead in passing. Glad to see the end of lead in gasoline.

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I haven't been looking, but it makes sense that it along with a lot of industrial compounds are no longer available to the public unless a component of another material.
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Originally Posted by mrtexas
White gas is gasoline without the lead, which is all gas sold in the last 20+ years. Just retired 31 years as a chemical engineer in an ExxonMobil Refinery. Forget about additives from AutoZone etc. Those small amounts won't make much difference in octane.
Which EM refinery did you work? The old Mobil Refinery in Beaumont or ??. For a number of years in the early 1970's, I worked at Houston Chemical in Beaumont. Just across the street from Mobil.

Houston Chemical was one of the three major manufacturers/suppliers of tetra-ethyl lead for gasoline. Ethyl and DuPont were the others.

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Originally Posted by RobMorgan
I recently purchased a 67 w/ 427/435HP original engine. I am wondering what success people have had with different gas additives. So far, I have been trying Gunk Lead additive which is all I have been able to find and a couple different Octane boosters.
You don't need any "additives"; any properly-tuned 435 set up at OEM specs will run fine on pump premium, and valve seat recession is a myth given the duty cycle of our classic cars. All "additives" will do for you is to empty your wallet.
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Originally Posted by JohnZ
You don't need any "additives"; any properly-tuned 435 set up at OEM specs will run fine on pump premium, and valve seat recession is a myth given the duty cycle of our classic cars. All "additives" will do for you is to empty your wallet.
there ya' go!.....aside from fuel stabilizers for long term storage, everything else (miracles in a can) is simply snake oil, especially octane boosters.....
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Old Jan 4, 2010 | 11:44 AM
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I have had good results from Techron additive as a cleaner and stabilizer (not octane boost). Find carb runs cleaner and idles better.Just my opinion. Regrds, Abe G
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You don't need any "additives"; any properly-tuned 435 set up at OEM specs will run fine on pump premium, and valve seat recession is a myth given the duty cycle of our classic cars. All "additives" will do for you is to empty your wallet.
I've never used anything in my old Vettes, big block and small blocks, other than 93 Octane. No pinging, no valve recession, no additives.
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