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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 10:10 PM
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anyone know where the switch is located on a powerglide, i'm pretty sure my '65 had backup lights but they are not working so either i get them or will rewire for tail/brake lights. Also did brake lights work on all 4 rears if there was no backup light option? Does it help to take off the rear exhaust valence to access the lights and wiring, pretty hard to see up there.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 10:15 PM
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anyone know where the switch is located on a powerglide,
Should be on the transmission.

Also did brake lights work on all 4 rears if there was no backup light option? Does it help to take off the rear exhaust valence to access the lights and wiring, pretty hard to see up there.
Yes, and maybe yes. My 65 has side exhaust, so I was able to replace my rear wiring without dropping the rear valence.

But I did remove the right rear light, and attach a string to the right rear light harness and fed that string to the left side of the car as I pulled out the old wires. Then I connected the string to the new wires and pulled it back through.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 10:20 PM
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thanks for the help, great idea on the string thang!
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If you do not have back up lights all 4 are tail and brake lights will work, If only your outer lights are on, look at the wire harness plug for the inner lights and see if it has one or two brass pins inside if it has one your car had back up lights. look at the harness for splices.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 10:41 PM
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If you do not have back up lights all 4 are tail and brake lights will work, If only your outer lights are on, look at the wire harness plug for the inner lights and see if it has one or two brass pins inside if it has one your car had back up lights. look at the harness for splices.
ok thanks, it does have only 1 brass pin in the socket, hence the question as to whether brake lights were on the inboard lights as well as outboard....guess it was a backup light car then, all i have to do is get a backup light switch mounted on the trans. and run the wire, can't find any wires near the trans so i guess some grease monkey cut it off!
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The harness connectionin this photo is where the main dash harness connects to the backup light switch harness, for my 65. The main dash harness was different for a backup light car, versus a non backup light car. The backup light switch harness is a short harness that runs from this connector, to the switch.

Also, backup lights were part of the "comfort" option which included the day/nite interior rear view mirror. Another indicator of what your car may have had originally.
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thanks for that and yes i have a day / nite mirror
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Excuse me but my 65 has the Neutral safety switch and backup switch as one unit. It is NOT on the transmission but rather under the console attached to the shifter.
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Excuse me but my 65 has the Neutral safety switch and backup switch as one unit. It is NOT on the transmission but rather under the console attached to the shifter.
interesting, problem is my car starts in gear and yes it should have the neutral safety switch, another fly in the ointment! Wonder if they did things differently during the year, my car was a May build, thanks Jack for bringing that to my attention, guess i'll have to lift the console and see if it's there...
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Excuse me but my 65 has the Neutral safety switch and backup switch as one unit. It is NOT on the transmission but rather under the console attached to the shifter.
Ack! Brain fart on my part!

Is your wiring connector up on the firewall as is mine?
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Originally Posted by 62Jeff
Ack! Brain fart on my part!

Is your wiring connector up on the firewall as is mine?
ok then Jack, so you're saying that your switch is not on the trans. but under the console?
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Yes, mine is under the console.
I've owned the car since it had 3,100 mile son it so I assume no one made a change.
Maybe the Bowtie ran low on parts?
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Originally Posted by jackhays
Maybe the Bowtie ran low on parts?
I'm sure your car is right. Mine is a 4 speed and I was too quick to try and help, such that I overlooked the deltas between 4 speed and powerglide.
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Originally Posted by 62Jeff
I'm sure your car is right. Mine is a 4 speed and I was too quick to try and help, such that I overlooked the deltas between 4 speed and powerglide.
no problem thanks for steering me in the right direction guys
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The backup light switch and neutral safety switch for a Powerglide in 1966 is housed in a single unit and is located in the console. It's actuated by the lower end of the Powerglide shifter as the shifter moves through the positions.

I'm relatively certain that the '65 is the same, although the 1963 and 1964 backup light switches for the Powerglide (and for the manual transmissions as well) was located on the transmission.

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I think Dave Zuberer posted this a while back - shows how the NS-B/U light switch attaches to the Powerglide shifter, as shown in the Assembly Manual (section M35, sheet 10). Cars with backup lights had a different main body harness with the light green feed wire for the lamps.
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Originally Posted by vt65
interesting, problem is my car starts in gear and yes it should have the neutral safety switch, another fly in the ointment! Wonder if they did things differently during the year, my car was a May build, thanks Jack for bringing that to my attention, guess i'll have to lift the console and see if it's there...
You might want to check under the hood first, unless the car has only recently begun to start in gear. If it's always started in gear ever since you've owned it, someone may have bypassed the neutral safety switch under the hood.

It's easy enough to do on my '66, two purple wires (as I recall the colors) plug together at the back of the hood ledge just below the center of the hood. On the '66, if you had a manual transmission these two were plugged together, I believe. If you had the Powerglide, they were unplugged from each other and plugged into the neutral safety switch wires leading down to the switch.

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I believe Ron has it right above. The attached pic shows the engine harness as I received it from LL. Those connectors were mated and taped. The shot below is after I made the connections with the leads from the switch routed though the firewall.

As I recall, you will need to remove the console and screws that mount the shifter. Also need to disconnect the linkage at the trans.

I'd try to take a look from under the car to see what you can see also.

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JohnZ, that is one of my earlier pics. Thanks. DZ
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