Fake Documentation
Drifting
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From: Upstate South Carolina
That may be true, but my point is that far too often otherwise legitimate cars are discounted because they have no documentation. How many cars from the 60s have orginal documents? I would think a far lower number than have their original motor. Yet without the documents the cars are questioned.
Pro
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From: Half Moon Bay CA
How and the heck do you buy a car that has all the documents today and not know if that paper work is the real deal, take Al Grenning with you. That paper work from oldchevydocuments looks pretty authentic.
Drifting
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From: Upstate South Carolina
I guess instead of fake documents may be a good thing what I mean is it is a good thing to be just as suspicous of documentation as the car itself because what is really important is the car not the paperwork. There are a lot of legitimate cars that have no paperwork, maybe even more fake cars with fake paperwork, some fake cars with real paperwork, and unfortunately real cars with fake paperwork due the "requirement" to have paperwork or be questioned.
Le Mans Master
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From: 50 kilometers outside Oslo Norway
Can anyone of my fellow forum members tell the difference on the trim tag in the catalog vs a original?
I can really not see any difference on the tags
I can really not see any difference on the tags
Last edited by TheSaint; Apr 30, 2011 at 02:04 PM.
Racer
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From: Studio City, CA Lake Havasu, AZ Mendocino, CA
i 've been to barrett-jackson scottsdale 5 times. (just to look, i'm not a $100,000 camero kind of guy). last time i was there they had 25 - 30 mid year big blocks. all were restored and looked great. EVERYONE of them had the protecto-plate, window sticker, tank sticker, dealer invoice, dealer order form, cancelled deposit check etc. YEAH RITE!! i've had 12 corvettes and have 1 protecto-plate. this is fraud and needs to be stopped. any body with me??
Burning Brakes
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i 've been to barrett-jackson scottsdale 5 times. (just to look, i'm not a $100,000 camero kind of guy). last time i was there they had 25 - 30 mid year big blocks. all were restored and looked great. EVERYONE of them had the protecto-plate, window sticker, tank sticker, dealer invoice, dealer order form, cancelled deposit check etc. YEAH RITE!! i've had 12 corvettes and have 1 protecto-plate. this is fraud and needs to be stopped. any body with me??
You sound skeptical that they REALLY don't mean this:
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Safety Car
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From: Barrington IL
At least with the NCRS documentation authentication service they now provide, one can now determine if those window stickers/tank stickers etc are legit. Best $40 you could ever spend IMHO.
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Pro
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From: Half Moon Bay CA
Racer
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From: LAS VEGAS NV
I disagree with saying "that the the high value of the real matching number cars with real documentation is what raises the value of the other cars" all I think they do is lower the value of the undocumented non original cars for a certain segment of the buyers. On the other hand there is another segment that will pay more for a quality restomod than a documented original. I think it comes down to weather your priorities are to drive the car or to have an investment. Most of the really high dollar cars are in collections and rarely driven.
Advanced
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From: Fort Lauderdale Florida
Really now, what is the difference between repro documents and the other 100,000 plus repro parts being made? All are made to replace lost, worn out or destroyed items. How many window stickers at Bloomington are real? ......zero, but the cars are still "Gold". NCRS does not even judge documents for Top Flight. The only "sacred" items that should not be reproduced are title documents and the trim tag, and that is probably why most states have laws against these. I say chill out.
Safety Car
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From: Barrington IL
Really now, what is the difference between repro documents and the other 100,000 plus repro parts being made? All are made to replace lost, worn out or destroyed items. How many window stickers at Bloomington are real? ......zero, but the cars are still "Gold". NCRS does not even judge documents for Top Flight. The only "sacred" items that should not be reproduced are title documents and the trim tag, and that is probably why most states have laws against these. I say chill out.
Safety Car
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From: Barrington IL
Instructor
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From: Mi.
Buyers need to do some checking of the cars & sellers.
Or they need to pay someone to do that .
Le Mans Master
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When I contacted the dealer that sold my car (in fact the original sales agent!), he sent me a COPY of the original invoice. He would not part with the original. This is one way to insure that documentation is real - independent verification.
Drifting
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From: Delray Beach Florida
and that will go a lot further in selling a quality piece .. dont misunderstand documentation certainly helps but in my opinion is not the deciding factor for me