Judging paint
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Melting Slicks
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Judging paint
Todays paint jobs I think are much better looking then back when C1 and C2 cars were produced at the factory. When these cars are restored and judged does points get added or deducted for paint that looks better then orginal?
Melting Slicks
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When I had mine judged the head judge said it was the wrong color it was to dark. Then when the exterior judge came over ,He said it was too light. It was painted by a VERY well known Corvette painter in that society.The head Judge proceded to embarrass me in front of a group of other judges and friends. Needless to say I never went back and canceled my membership to that bozo orginization. I advice to you is forget what they say and enjoy your car.
Burning Brakes
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From: Frederick Md
No C1/C2 left GM looking like the cars we see at the shows being judged.
Find a car that has never been painted or had body work done, that will give you some idea how bad they were.
We ar kidding ourselves with this paint nonsense.
Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '12
Any car I ever saw back in the day would have what is classified as OK driver quality paint by today's standards. Restoring is not an accurate adjective to what we (me included) are doing today. On a scale of 1-10, 10 being the best work being done today, I would guesstimate a 6 would cover most as they rolled off the factory floor.
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Local car clubs, and parking lot shows, are probably going to award more points to a car with a better finish. This would likely be the case at an AACA (Antique Automobile Club of America) show, too.
The NCRS and Bloomington, expect to see the car presented in an as delivered when new condition. As such, both organizations are going to deduct for a repaint, that is better (shinier, smoother, etc.) than when new.
Drifting
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From: Delray Beach Florida
Todays paint are certainly more durable ... as far as paint goes imo nothing lays as flat as lacquer paint .. I agree that that you may get a deduction for an "over restored " car but ...
unless you have a true survivor car. BLOCK ..SAND ...BLOCK.. SAND ... BLOCK.. SAND and let the judges deduct a few points ...
unless you have a true survivor car. BLOCK ..SAND ...BLOCK.. SAND ... BLOCK.. SAND and let the judges deduct a few points ...
Le Mans Master
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St. Jude Donor '12
Bill- I agree! I think what was meant was that from the factory, they didn't. I have never seen a factory job that lays as flat as what is being done now, or has the mirror finish. They just didn't have the time to spend blocking ad infinitum.
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St. Jude Donor '07
there is a big difference between smooth and/or shiny. block sanding will make a surface flat, either by sanding out the imperfections in the body and/or the paint; but it will have nothing to do with the 'shine' of the paint.
an old lacquer job can be shiny just from years of waxing and buffiing by hand or machine but that won't take out the imperfections in the body assembly.
to be as delivered, it would have never been washed or waxed... ever....
Bill
an old lacquer job can be shiny just from years of waxing and buffiing by hand or machine but that won't take out the imperfections in the body assembly.
to be as delivered, it would have never been washed or waxed... ever....
Bill
Drifting
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besides I cant even find any one that sprays lacquer in NY.. or even supplies it
Drifting
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Paint color judging is very subjective, dfiificult to deduct points in judging unless it's way way off which I have seen more thna a few times....when they had alll the 53's at Carlisle years ago there were at least 20 different shades of white..
At any meet look at the Marlboro Maroon cars and Sunfire Yellow cars..... they're all different
At any meet look at the Marlboro Maroon cars and Sunfire Yellow cars..... they're all different
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For the OP- of you're talking about NCRS judging, over-restoring will cause a point deduct, as will under-restoring. It's rare to see a car that's deliberately restored exactly to factory quality or worse so yes, most would be considered over restored. There is a judging flow chart and process that guides judges in making consistent evaluations and results.
Hope this helps.
Safety Car
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From: AUSTIN Tx
I just feel the need to make my paint slick and I am willing to take the deduct for it. It does not stop you from getting a Top Flight. It only takes 94% to get a TF and only 97% for a Duntov. It is not at all out of the question to still score better than 99%, even with paint deductions.
I learned a long time ago that nobody is going to get 100%, so don't sweat the little deductions. At the end of the day, they really don't matter! It ain't like a PV, where even one tiny thing will sink you.
Regards, John McGraw
Last edited by John McGraw; Jun 24, 2011 at 05:45 PM.
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The same logic applies to body panel fit, chrome, weather stripping glue slop, blackout, etc etc.
Build the car the way that will make you happiest and tell everybody else to shove it if they don't like it.
Build the car the way that will make you happiest and tell everybody else to shove it if they don't like it.
Drifting
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Melting Slicks
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Build the car the way that will make you happiest and tell everybody else to shove it if they don't like it.
Thats what I do when I show everyone my new project. I'm restomodding a numbers matching 66 coupe.
Thats what I do when I show everyone my new project. I'm restomodding a numbers matching 66 coupe.
Melting Slicks
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Well of course he did, that's part of the initiation process done at chapter meets. At regionals we include your wife and kids in the mockery and at nationals, Bozo the Clown himself (or alternatively Ronald McDonald) replays secret videos of past judging meets and tricks you into pulling his finger which releases the secret 'resistance is futile' gas. See what you missed out on?
For the OP- of you're talking about NCRS judging, over-restoring will cause a point deduct, as will under-restoring. It's rare to see a car that's deliberately restored exactly to factory quality or worse so yes, most would be considered over restored. There is a judging flow chart and process that guides judges in making consistent evaluations and results.
Hope this helps.
For the OP- of you're talking about NCRS judging, over-restoring will cause a point deduct, as will under-restoring. It's rare to see a car that's deliberately restored exactly to factory quality or worse so yes, most would be considered over restored. There is a judging flow chart and process that guides judges in making consistent evaluations and results.
Hope this helps.
Drifting
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From: Towanda KS
As the owner of your car, you are free to choose the quality of paint you put on it. Please don't gripe when the judges take the deduct. It's pretty easy to get a 100% deduct on paint these days. Know the criteria and spend your money on what is most important to you as the owner.
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