Judging paint
Burning Brakes
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on the C1s, NCRS wants to see a paint job as it was prepped for showroom viewing. the top of the car will be highly buffed, because this is the part of the car that a customer has the best view of. on the upper part of the fenders and doors there is a less glossier finish than what is found on the hood and trunk area. the lowest areas of the car will appear to have very little, if any buffing. judges want to see the orange peel effect in the lower areas.
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Every vette owner has their own purpose in ownership. Don't knock the guys that want to duplicate the factory's work and the organizations that have been formed to support that purpose. Some like to drag race and some like to be **** or somewhere in between. Every organization has their idiot members too but I give credit to NCRS for good training especially above the chapter judging event level. To answer the question about the deduct for over-restoration of the paint...if that is actually what is determined you have, it is a 20% deduct or 9 points. That certainly won't knock you out of top-flighting your car as a previous poster stated. My last five NCRS judging assignments has been judging exterior (which includes paint) on 1965's. It is interesting. Many cars get hit with over-resto and the owners are delighted to take only a 9 point hit. They can still get their top flight and still compete at the local firemen's clean and pretty show. If you want to know how the factory paint job was done and how NCRS judges paint, read this good site. Paste this entire thing in the search box and read to the end.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...V8Xtph36v70Slg
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...V8Xtph36v70Slg
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Every vette owner has their own purpose in ownership. Don't knock the guys that want to duplicate the factory's work and the organizations that have been formed to support that purpose. Some like to drag race and some like to be **** or somewhere in between. Every organization has their idiot members too but I give credit to NCRS for good training especially above the chapter judging event level. To answer the question about the deduct for over-restoration of the paint...if that is actually what is determined you have, it is a 20% deduct or 9 points. That certainly won't knock you out of top-flighting your car as a previous poster stated. My last five NCRS judging assignments has been judging exterior (which includes paint) on 1965's. It is interesting. Many cars get hit with over-resto and the owners are delighted to take only a 9 point hit. They can still get their top flight and still compete at the local firemen's clean and pretty show. If you want to know how the factory paint job was done and how NCRS judges paint, read this good site. Paste this entire thing in the search box and read to the end.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...V8Xtph36v70Slg
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...V8Xtph36v70Slg
rustylugnuts
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More times than not, our answers are becoming more of a form of venting rather than giving the options needed so the enthusiast can gather detailed information and evaluate which answer is best for his or her personal application. I applaud this answer, it well written and to the point. Well done!
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If it appears instead to be BC/CC for instance, the deduct rises to a minimum of 50% or up to 100% if all areas have been done to concours type finish.
That's a big hit that's hard to recover from.
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St. Jude Donor '12
This would be true if the car initially passes the test of 'Does the Body Paint Material appear to be the Factory Applied Material?' IOW, 'does it look like lacquer'.
If it appears instead to be BC/CC for instance, the deduct rises to a minimum of 50% or up to 100% if all areas have been done to concours type finish.
That's a big hit that's hard to recover from.
If it appears instead to be BC/CC for instance, the deduct rises to a minimum of 50% or up to 100% if all areas have been done to concours type finish.
That's a big hit that's hard to recover from.
So in theory, if you had a BC/CC that was concours, it would be deducted as about the same if it had no paint at all.. right?.... wow!
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If the trim tag says delivered in primer, that's what it should be shown in. Them's the rules.
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