original options?
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original options?
Is there a way to tell if a car came with side pipes from the factory?
My TRIM TAG says:
H18
Style: 65 437 S2355 BODY
TRIM 420AG 900GG PAINT
Using this ELC decoder (http://www.stl-vettes.com/65Vette/tr...m_Tag_Main.htm), it only tells me that this ECL was used with option A31 (power windows, which my car does have) and not used with M35 and N01 (which my car does not have).
So, besides tank sheet or window sticker, there's not way to tell for sure what options a car came with out of the factory?
Thanks,
-Matt
My TRIM TAG says:
H18
Style: 65 437 S2355 BODY
TRIM 420AG 900GG PAINT
Using this ELC decoder (http://www.stl-vettes.com/65Vette/tr...m_Tag_Main.htm), it only tells me that this ECL was used with option A31 (power windows, which my car does have) and not used with M35 and N01 (which my car does not have).
So, besides tank sheet or window sticker, there's not way to tell for sure what options a car came with out of the factory?
Thanks,
-Matt
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Another one is the K-H knock off wheels: they have the "K-H D-49985" casting, so that means they are real and not repro, but anything that can tell me if car actually came with those wheels??
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Is there a way to tell if a car came with side pipes from the factory?
My TRIM TAG says:
H18
Style: 65 437 S2355 BODY
TRIM 420AG 900GG PAINT
Using this ELC decoder (http://www.stl-vettes.com/65Vette/tr...m_Tag_Main.htm), it only tells me that this ECL was used with option A31 (power windows, which my car does have) and not used with M35 and N01 (which my car does not have).
So, besides tank sheet or window sticker, there's not way to tell for sure what options a car came with out of the factory?
Thanks,
-Matt
My TRIM TAG says:
H18
Style: 65 437 S2355 BODY
TRIM 420AG 900GG PAINT
Using this ELC decoder (http://www.stl-vettes.com/65Vette/tr...m_Tag_Main.htm), it only tells me that this ECL was used with option A31 (power windows, which my car does have) and not used with M35 and N01 (which my car does not have).
So, besides tank sheet or window sticker, there's not way to tell for sure what options a car came with out of the factory?
Thanks,
-Matt
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Also for side pipes if you have the originals splash pans if there is weather striping and or staple holes
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No, there is no indication on the trim tag whether a car came with sidepipes (or KO wheels) or not. There are a number of "clues" for the sidepipes, the best of which is whether or not there are any remnants of the rocker molding support brackets welded to the bottom of the birdcage sills; also, if the VIN on a '65 is below 10,000, the car couldn't have had sidepipes. Another "clue" for the KO wheels is which jack instruction sticker is glued to the bottom of the jack cover board (if it's original).
Thanks
Matt
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Splash pans are the stamped sheet metal pans that bolt to the frame and firewall on both sides of the engine compartment. John is referring to the 3 brackets on the rocker channel on each sides that hold on the rocker moldings on non side pipe cars
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Also most people that just add sidepipes cut off the factory rocker molding brackets flush with the fiberglass, the factory sidepipe cars had no brackets at all, look above the pipes if there is any of the bracket up there if no bracket that is also a good sign, but someone could cut them all the way off in a frame off restoration.
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The bottom of the birdcage sills on each side should look like the photo below, with no welded rocker molding bracket remnants, bent, broken or cut-off pieces, as there were never any support brackets on a sidepipe car. Beyond that, there are the sill flange notches, also unique to sidepipe cars, which are virtually impossible to duplicate. Second photo below shows a pair of sidepipe car splash shields, with no rubber seals and no staple holes.