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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 10:11 PM
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. I am not a chemist or a technician on oils but if oil is no better today than 50 years ago there would be no reason for the factory to supplyn oil I must respectfully disagree new engines with synthetic oil from the factory.

Mike M you are correct. I haven't seen a Wolfs Head oil can that requires a spout to puncture it in a long time.
I don't know if oil today is better or worse as you put it. It is different, especially for new car fills. One reason it is different is for emmisions, another for reduced engine clearances and another is for much hotter running engines. Some run at 240*. Unlike your typical midyear. That is enough good reasons to cause you to do a little more research.
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Old Jul 28, 2013 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BADBIRDCAGE

On oil I must respectfully disagree. I am not a chemist or a technician on oils but if oil is no better today than 50 years ago there would be no reason for the factory to supply new engines with synthetic oil from the factory.
We're talking 50 year old Corvette engines here. A freshly issued engine design today may need synthetic to survive or make EPA mileage targets or, or, or......but they're of no reliability or durability benefits in Gen 1 Chev V8s.

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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 06:51 AM
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We're talking 50 year old Corvette engines here. A freshly issued engine design today may need synthetic to survive or make EPA mileage targets or, or, or......but they're of no reliability or durability benefits in Gen 1 Chev V8s.

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No fire directed from me. As you stated, and as we agree, Gen 1 engines were designed for the oils available when they were manufactured. Modern engines are designed for the oils which have been developed over the time period.

My position is that, like other items used in the manufacture of present day automobiles, oils have been improved during the past 50 years.
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BADBIRDCAGE
No fire directed from me. As you stated, and as we agree, Gen 1 engines were designed for the oils available when they were manufactured. Modern engines are designed for the oils which have been developed over the time period.

My position is that, like other items used in the manufacture of present day automobiles, oils have been improved during the past 50 years.
So do you buy no-name CJ-4 oils at wallyworld when they're on sale or fancy boo-teek stuff for your Gen 1 engines?
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 10:52 AM
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My position is that, like other items used in the manufacture of present day automobiles, oils have been improved during the past 50 years.
Engines 50 years ago used carburetors that didn't precisely control fuel unlike FI engines today. Not to mention chokes that made super rich mixtures in cold weather while the engine "warmed up". A lot of that excess high sulphur fuel went straight into the crankcase to combine with moisture present and formed acids and sludge. There was also some negative effect that leaded fuel had on engine oil.

Oils of the day were blended specifically to offset those negatives. Tell me what "improvements" have been made in today's oils to combat conditions present way back then and even today as the engines are still in service, some even running leaded fuel.

That is why I'm not sure oil is "better" today, just "different".



PS. For the above reasons, that is why I like to use Rotella T as far as I can tell, it should control most if not all the bad things going on in an old engine design.
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeM
Engines 50 years ago used carburetors that didn't precisely control fuel unlike FI engines today. Not to mention chokes that made super rich mixtures in cold weather while the engine "warmed up". A lot of that excess high sulphur fuel went straight into the crankcase to combine with moisture present and formed acids and sludge. There was also some negative effect that leaded fuel had on engine oil.

Oils of the day were blended specifically to offset those negatives. Tell me what "improvements" have been made in today's oils to combat conditions present way back then and even today as the engines are still in service, some even running leaded fuel.

That is why I'm not sure oil is "better" today, just "different".



PS. For the above reasons, that is why I like to use Rotella T as far as I can tell, it should control most if not all the bad things going on in an old engine design.
Great choice on the Rotella T. We sold it at the Shell station I worked at in 1967.
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What can you tell me about the Amsoil synthetic brake fluid.
There is another ongoing thread in the this subforum on brake fluid on which I posted. Short story, use the DOT 4 in my 02 Z06 at the track in the clutch and brakes and the DOT 3 in all my daily drivers and have been very satisfied with both.
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 09:36 PM
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There is another ongoing thread in the this subforum on brake fluid on which I posted. Short story, use the DOT 4 in my 02 Z06 at the track in the clutch and brakes and the DOT 3 in all my daily drivers and have been very satisfied with both.
Cool what's the thread link?
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Cool what's the thread link?
That would be the one YOU started.
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Old Jul 29, 2013 | 10:21 PM
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Oh haha 😁
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Originally Posted by Mike Ward
So do you buy no-name CJ-4 oils at wallyworld when they're on sale or fancy boo-teek stuff for your Gen 1 engines?
I used Mobil 1 for nine years in the 350 in my 78 and I used Mobil 1 in the 350 in my 63. I no longer have either car or a Gen 1 engine in anything I own.
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Old Jul 30, 2013 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BADBIRDCAGE
I used Mobil 1 for nine years in the 350 in my 78 and I used Mobil 1 in the 350 in my 63. I no longer have either car or a Gen 1 engine in anything I own.
Look at the money we could have saved you if you'd known all this before.
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Look at the money we could have saved you if you'd known all this before.
When you compare it to the amount of money that I literally pissed away during my late teens and early twenties it is inconsequential. I still eat regularly.
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Oh haha 😁
So I'm hoping you found it already!
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